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[Datisi]

why are you ok with Andres doing nothing?

the more you're twisting my words, the more certain i am you're scum.

what part of "i want to see what he does" makes me okay with him doing nothing?

You said probably me/house = scum team which would imply you think andres doing almost nothing is fine/townie? there are only two scum in the game.

i also added that i need to see what andres comes back with but okay

[Aristeia]

do you think my solve here should be house/andres? like, do you *really* think so?

Ok why do you think I'm mafia?

[Aristeia]

If you want to go down this road let's do it

[Datisi]

do you think my solve here should be house/andres? like, do you *really* think so?

Ok why do you think I'm mafia?

i've been talking about the logistics of an ari/house team for the past few hours...

also, you don't get to answer my question with another question. you're the one saying you find it surprising that i think you're scum. i'm asking you why do you think that town!me would get to an andres/house solve.

[Aristeia]

do you think my solve here should be house/andres? like, do you *really* think so?

Ok why do you think I'm mafia?

i've been talking about the logistics of an ari/house team for the past few hours...

also, you don't get to answer my question with another question. you're the one saying you find it surprising that i think you're scum. i'm asking you why do you think that town!me would get to an andres/house solve.

I think town!you would figure out that I'm town here yes.

Explain why you think I'm mafia.

[Aristeia]

I want to hear every doubt, thought, suspicion you have harbored of me for the last week since Frogster flipped town.

[Datisi]

i've been talking about the logistics of an ari/house team for the past few hours...

and because we're in the endgame and i have to be considering every angle?

if you want a "here are all the reasons that point to scum!ari", you're not gonna get that. i'm trying to get to a solve that makes sense. currently i'm trying to figure out if house/ari makes sense. all there is to it.

the only "actually scummy" thing i can point out is the misreps that you were doing of me in the past few pages.

again, why do you think i should be townreading you here?

[Aristeia]

I would be really surprised if House was scum still, and it seems like Math is basically confirmed town. I'm willing to just sheep his opinion since he's actually been playing the game - I almost certainly die tomorrow anyway.

Personally I don't really have strong opinions on Datisi/Andres/Aristeia atm. From what I've skimmed they all seem moderately townie by tone but nothing I feel is straight up outside of scumrange. Whoever scum is has been playing well. If I had to guess it'd be Datisi > Andres > Ari >>> House > Math, but that's a guess with less information than you all have.

In the back of my head something about the insistence of Ari's interactions with me feels like she's genuinely sorting me and I haven't really had any interaction with Andres or Datisi. It feels like she's the one playing the game and aggressively pushing it along which seems similar to her towngame but it's possible she's just good at faking it too. Andres hasn't rolled scum like ever I think (?) and I kind of doubt he's suddenly able to emulate town!him this well tonally but it seems he's been flakish this game too so idk tbh. Datisi I thought I knew how to read but I think I might've been misreading him lately which I don't want to talk about, I also just don't get any alignment indicative vibes from his posts.

IV is townreading me for correct reasons and he's barely even playing this game and he has very little history with me so I don't know how town!you still doesn't get it.

[Aristeia]

the only "actually scummy" thing i can point out is the misreps that you were doing of me in the past few pages.

me not understanding what you're saying and getting you to clarify in real time is not the same thing as misrepping you.

If I want to push you here I don't argue with you on your terms I just case you and push you.

[Aristeia]

the only "actually scummy" thing i can point out is the misreps that you were doing of me in the past few pages.

this feels like you haven't actually been thinking about scum!me at all and you just happen to be reaching for something to throw at the wall.

[Datisi]

In the back of my head something about the insistence of Ari's interactions with me feels like she's genuinely sorting me and I haven't really had any interaction with Andres or Datisi. It feels like she's the one playing the game and aggressively pushing it along which seems similar to her towngame but it's possible she's just good at faking it too.

i don't find this super convincing, sorry.

if you think i should be townreading you here, why did you seem so certain in shutting down my house scumread? if i'm town and i think you're town, then house has to be scum.

[Datisi]

the only "actually scummy" thing i can point out is the misreps that you were doing of me in the past few pages.

this feels like you haven't actually been thinking about scum!me at all and you just happen to be reaching for something to throw at the wall.

yes, as i said, i don't have a super convncing list of things that make you scum. i have been thinking about scum!house, i said i'm waiting for andres. saying that i'm convinced you're scum would be a lie.

[Aristeia]

i don't find this super convincing, sorry.

I don't find you having me at null-scum with no reasons very convincing either

[Aristeia]

if you think i should be townreading you here, why did you seem so certain in shutting down my house scumread? if i'm town and i think you're town, then house has to be scum.

I know I'm town. I think House is town because he is hitting every tonal fustration note when he spars with Mathblade on my behalf defending me.

I just find it much more likely that Town!House geniunely believes that I'm town and is unable to control his fustration watching mathblade try to death-tunnel me for a game loss than Scum Mastermind!House decided to intentionally piss off Mathblade with constant criticism to get Mathblade to double and triple down on his death tunnel on me to win the game.

I don't find your case on House very convincing, the logic feels incredibly stretchy - the only part that I liked about this exchange with you this morning is that I do think maybe scum!you just coasts and lets mathblade continue down his death tunnel without sticking his neck out.

[Aristeia]

if i'm town and i think you're town, then house has to be scum.

If we're T/T here and you just sit on your hands letting Mathblade tunnel me with his nonsensical case while House!scum defends me I don't see how you expect us to win.

[House]

Who do you think wins this, and who do you think never gets another vote when you flip red?

counterquestion: who am i scum with?

if i'm scum with andres, my wincon is to shut the fuck up and buddy math into voting ari.
if i'm scum with ari, my wincon is to shut the fuck up and let ari work her magic with you.

what am i doing here?

If your fake solve didn't include Ari, you'd have a point

But you need to keep Ari viable while building shade on me.

That's what you're doing here.

But wait, there's more!

were you townreading iv at all on day 1, or did you fake a mason claim literally just to buy him time? if it's the former, why?

Asked and answered.

Repeating the question doesn't do shit.

you didn't answer it, but ok.

I did, but ok. See how that works?

But wait, there's more!

A spiteful townie would be voting me right now.

Datisi knows that at best he has Mathblade's willingness to vote me and still needs one more vote to mislim me before Andres can hammer.

i don't vote people out of spite. if you do, i am genuinely disappointed.

datisi also knows ari is a much easier sell than you, but okay.

Datisi also knows Mathblade would MUCH rather kill me, so there is that.

But wait, there's more!

I have trouble believing that town!you thinks I'm scum here tbh

do you think my solve here should be house/andres? like, do you *really* think so?

Two scum don't hardtown each other as much as we do.

i've done it before, works very nicely.

I've never seen it happen. Let alone find it myself. Ever.

I've always distanced/bussed for town cred. The reason I've solo carried in the past was because I killed off my team (at least once).

Since I'm the one you're calling scum, my experience is the one that's important, unless you're just scum projecting in order to forward your agenda.

But wait, there's more!

Ari freaked out when I voted her at the start of the day.

That's because she knows that one more town vote would leave her open to quickhammer by the scum team.

Datisi hasn't given 2 shits about my vote either on Andres or himself, because he knows that they're never getting quickhammered.

[Datisi]

because there need to be two town votes, and even if you're town, i don't expect iv nor math to be wanting to be rushing this. so i have zero reason to freak out.

[Aristeia]

If I had to guess it'd be Datisi > Andres > Ari >>> House > Math, but that's a guess with less information than you all have.

You're literally the first person on IV's kill list but ok.

[Datisi]

and iv also said he's gonna follow math because he's nowhere near close to caught up and has no clue what is happening, but ok.

[Aristeia]

It just feels like you're too calm for melo

[Aristeia]

I guess I'm too used to watching you panick and deal with self doubt and handwringing and doomsaying.

here you feel a bit too confident that everything is going to be alright.

[Aristeia]

also you kind of need to convince me you're town to win if we're T/T and you just haven't really tried to do that at all?

[Datisi]

i'm not emotionally attaching myself to this game. no clue where you're getting the "everything will be alright" vibe from me; i very much feel this is probably a loss.

and yeah, i don't see the point in losing my mind over trying to convince people i'm town when i don't know who should i be trying to convince of that.

[Aristeia]

it's not so much the "everything with be ok"

it's the lack of panicky "breathing into a paper bag" posts.

[House]

and yeah, i don't see the point in losing my mind over trying to convince people i'm town when i don't know who should i be trying to convince of that.

Another demonstrable lie.

and iv also said he's gonna follow math because he's nowhere near close to caught up and has no clue what is happening, but ok.