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↑ Lying Cat wrote:Because they needed cerb dead, and they gambled on us targeting other conftown after all the 'wouldn't it be great to stop a kill' that I did yesterday. Once the roleblock is dead, a known commute inventor is useless. There was a strong chance that the roleblock stopped a kill anyway, in which case they were royally screwed. So they took the highest EV shot regardless of the risks, since the risks were already so high. Plus, remember that this is the scumteam who just let us have all the conftown from the cop while hunting him in the possible mislynches

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not convinced yet. If scum viewed Cerb as such a big threat, then why wasn't he targeted earlier? It just seems very strange that scum were able to kill Bins, SB, and Cerb without anything getting in their way.

You guys had been calling this game broken yesterday, so it was clear that LC-commute inventor has no reason to gambit and give a commute to someone other than Cerb - especially if he is the threat that you believe him to be.

↑ Lying Cat wrote:Wicked, you said yourself that commute inventor balances town. So from your POV, mastin must be town. Why have I been protecting mastin all game if I'm scum? Who else in my clear pool do you think could be scum?

I'll dig up mastin crumbs in a minute

I did say that, but I'm not 100% sure anymore.

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:

↑ Lying Cat wrote:Because they needed cerb dead, and they gambled on us targeting other conftown after all the 'wouldn't it be great to stop a kill' that I did yesterday. Once the roleblock is dead, a known commute inventor is useless. There was a strong chance that the roleblock stopped a kill anyway, in which case they were royally screwed. So they took the highest EV shot regardless of the risks, since the risks were already so high. Plus, remember that this is the scumteam who just let us have all the conftown from the cop while hunting him in the possible mislynches

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not convinced yet. If scum viewed Cerb as such a big threat, then why wasn't he targeted earlier? It just seems very strange that scum were able to kill Bins, SB, and Cerb without anything getting in their way.

You guys had been calling this game broken yesterday, so it was clear that LC-commute inventor has no reason to gambit and give a commute to someone other than Cerb - especially if he is the threat that you believe him to be.

Roleblocker isn't a huge threat... until there's a small pool for scum. Apparently scum didn't think the pool was that small on the day cerb claimed. To be fair, they probably still thought mastin and I were viabel mislynches at that point.

I agree that the protections have been iffy, but they all make sense from a mastin-town perspective.

You are correct, protecting me last night was a misplay. But imagine how cool it would have been if it worked. cerb lives, mastin lives, i live. we gain a spare mislynch and all three of us are solidly confirmed. game goes from being a lock to a blowout, all because mastin outguessed the scum. She just didn't account for the possibility of failure. And the negative wasn't super huge, until she went all paranoia and outed herself.

Whereas if she's scum, or I'm scum or you or constantine are scum, all we have to do to win is kill a conftown and wait. since the PR's have bought into my elimination pool, there is no need to make anything happen that we dont expect. If I'm scum I kill you, lynch from the pool, and win when the last of them flips town.

↑ sthar8 wrote:

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:

↑ Lying Cat wrote:Because they needed cerb dead, and they gambled on us targeting other conftown after all the 'wouldn't it be great to stop a kill' that I did yesterday. Once the roleblock is dead, a known commute inventor is useless. There was a strong chance that the roleblock stopped a kill anyway, in which case they were royally screwed. So they took the highest EV shot regardless of the risks, since the risks were already so high. Plus, remember that this is the scumteam who just let us have all the conftown from the cop while hunting him in the possible mislynches

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not convinced yet. If scum viewed Cerb as such a big threat, then why wasn't he targeted earlier? It just seems very strange that scum were able to kill Bins, SB, and Cerb without anything getting in their way.

You guys had been calling this game broken yesterday, so it was clear that LC-commute inventor has no reason to gambit and give a commute to someone other than Cerb - especially if he is the threat that you believe him to be.

Roleblocker isn't a huge threat... until there's a small pool for scum. Apparently scum didn't think the pool was that small on the day cerb claimed. To be fair, they probably still thought mastin and I were viable mislynches at that point.

I agree that the protections have been iffy, but they all make sense from a mastin-town perspective.

You are correct, protecting me last night was a misplay. But imagine how cool it would have been if it worked. cerb lives, mastin lives, i live. we gain a spare mislynch and all three of us are solidly confirmed. game goes from being a lock to a blowout, all because mastin outguessed the scum. She just didn't account for the possibility of failure. And the negative wasn't super huge, until she went all paranoia and outed herself.

Whereas if she's scum, or I'm scum or you or constantine are scum, all we have to do to win is kill a conftown and wait. since the PR's have bought into my elimination pool, there is no need to make anything happen that we dont expect. If I'm scum I kill you, lynch from the pool, and win when the last of them flips town.

mine goddammit

A mastin-LC team seems strange given the relative likelihood of winning without this gambit.

Jaqen and vezok have looked like scum all game. Especially Jaqen. So I'm willing to do that.

I'm just pretty checked out and want to chain lynch. Maybe it doesn't work, but it's pretty likely to.

VOTE: Jaqen

Seriously, you need to die.

↑ Lying Cat wrote:oh shit mastin already posted all her crumbs.

Not all, just over half. (For instance, I'm rather proud of my not-actually-claiming-VT dodge to the massclaim I did. I implied I was one without actually lying and saying I was one, because duh, of course I'm not.)

↑ T S O wrote:Mastin - you should not have given LC the commute. It was a misplay.

No fucking shit!

↑ T S O wrote:It really wasn't the time for a gamble.

It seemed like a good idea at the time. Scum should have thought the protection was still on Cerb. Scum should have thought that LC was the commute inventor they'd need to kill in order to get rid of the protection. Yet...they didn't.

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:mastin, on day 2 you were basically calling Lying Cat super obvious town because he said that he received the commute. This would make perfect sense if he was the commute inventor and you realized that he was gambitting. But it makes zero sense if you're the commute inventor. Please explain.

Actually, you can read my posts and see there's a very clear progression. On D1, I was not being subtle with my decision to target them, so I was gambling that they would be town. On day two, I thought it likely they were town, but I wasn't absolutely sure. It wasn't until day three that I said that I was absolutely sure LC was town, because D2 was the day LC knew about the commute, and D3 is the day that I was alive after LC had known about the commute.

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:mastin, can you, with post numbers, walk me through your thought process yesterday? I want to know how Lying Cat knew that you were the commute inventor. I also want to know how you realized that he was going to claim commute inventor.

Read my fucking posts? I know it's a ridiculously long wall, but read my post--all of it--about the 'crumbs on the first page of my iso. I wasn't being subtle about my identity to them. Even if other players might have missed it, they made it very clear that they had not. The moment they bragged about "uninformed masons", their intention was clear to me: imagine that every instance of "uninformed masons" in LC's iso is replaced with "commute invent target", and suddenly you realize that they were claiming, "Hey, we targeted mastin N1 with our commute. We targeted Nacho N2 with our commute." And also, they wanted me to target TSO N3 with the commute. I took a different route, but their intention remained clear to me all the same.

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:I'm also surprised that scum have successfully managed to kill off several obvious threats (e.g. Bins, Sonic Boom, Cerb) without ever getting blocked. That requires some serious skill.

And that's one reason why I believe that it's likely for scum to know who I was targeting. I was not at all subtle with my hints as to who I would target. (I can go onto the second page of my iso and quote all of the 'crumbs there, too, to help continue proving it, but really, read my fucking post; I was ridiculously blatant.) So long as the scumteam included someone who knew I was the commute inventor, they'd know who not to target. And LC's one of the main people who knew.

Who got the commute last night? Because it really should have been Cerb.

Yes, I know, I fucked up; it should have been Cerb, but I was convinced the scum were going to try and take LC out, first, so I targeted him instead. Which is the whole damn point of why I posted as I did: because LC and I are the only two players that should've known about the gambit I had pulled.

↑ Jaqen Hghar wrote:But Mastin, if LC is scum you would have already been dead.

The one bit of doubt in my head revolves around that, yes.

Thus why I'm voting you, not them.

↑ Lying Cat wrote:Get your head out of your ass and don't waste the effort I've put in here.
VOTE: Jaquen

Well, your alignment regardless, I'm voting with you, so there's that?

↑ sthar8 wrote:But imagine how cool it would have been if it worked. cerb lives, mastin lives, i live. we gain a spare mislynch and all three of us are solidly confirmed. game goes from being a lock to a blowout, all because mastin outguessed the scum. She just didn't account for the possibility of failure.

^Can confirm this is more or less the case.

...Though in hindsight, probably really was stupid to out myself. If you scum, then your chances of getting lynched today actually went down when I claimed rather than going up.

Let me get this straight, LC...

With that convoluted, overly complicated scenario of events which had to transpire with absolute precision- you're expecting that at least one of me (whom you've refered to as an idiot on several occasions), vezok (who has demonstrated the inability to read context in anything), and PerV (who has a history of being mediocre in picking up crumbs) to have deduced the layers upon layers and intricate plan and redirection to come to the conclusion Cerb was the best kill last night.

Ha! Hahahahahaha! Woooo! You kill me man! That's a good one!

↑ T S O wrote:VOTE: Jaqen

Seriously, you need to die.

That's fine, but you better lynch Mastin's slimy ass when I flip town. And then Lying Cat.

I'll vote jaqen, but I want to see a votecount.

↑ T S O wrote:A mastin-LC team seems strange given the relative likelihood of winning without this gambit.

This is a good point.

(More later)

I'm sorry, Jaqen. I will absolutely take a hard look at these people in the event you're town, but I really don't think you are.

That's fine.

mastin, why did you feel the need to post so many role breadcrumbs? And why did you feel the need to breadcrumb who you were giving commutes to?

↑ mastin2 wrote:

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:mastin, on day 2 you were basically calling Lying Cat super obvious town because he said that he received the commute. This would make perfect sense if he was the commute inventor and you realized that he was gambitting. But it makes zero sense if you're the commute inventor. Please explain.

Actually, you can read my posts and see there's a very clear progression. On D1, I was not being subtle with my decision to target them, so I was gambling that they would be town. On day two, I thought it likely they were town, but I wasn't absolutely sure. It wasn't until day three that I said that I was absolutely sure LC was town, because D2 was the day LC knew about the commute, and D3 is the day that I was alive after LC had known about the commute.

I apologize, I misremembered your day 2 play. You were calling the commute inventor super obvious town, not LC. My question was bad, now this makes sense to me.

↑ Antihero wrote:

Ionization Energy of Transition Metals

A transition metal’s ionization energy is related to the energies of its d orbitals, its ease of oxidation, and its basicity. In simplest terms, the greater a metal’s ionization energy, the harder it is to pull an electron from it. Thus, metal centers with high ionization energies exhibit low basicity (or nucleophilicity) and are resistant to oxidation. Trends in ionization energy are more complex than atomic size trends, as the plot below amply demonstrates.

The first thing we may notice is that in general, ionization energy increases as we move from left to right across a row. Notable dips occur at row 1, group 10 (Ni) and row 3, group 7 (Re). However, the general trend is consistent with our previous notion that electronegativity increases as we move left-to-right across a row. As for trends down a group, it’s difficult to discern anything useful in the graph above. What we can say (considering second and higher ionization potentials, not shown) is that higher oxidation states are more accessible to third-row metals. Easy way to remember this: OsO₄ is a stable reagent that reacts only with alkenes; RuO₄ is prepared in situ and ravages alkenes and alcohols; FeO₄ has never been observed.

We’ll touch on trends in acidity/basicity again in a later post on hydride ligands, but they tend to follow the trends in bond strength described below: basicity increases (and acidity decreases) as we move down a group, generally.

Vote Count 1.8

Cerberus v666 - 2 (Lying Cat, Flubbernugget)
Flubbernugget - 1 (Wickedestjr)
hiplop - 1 (Sonic Boom)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)

Sonic Boom

- 6 (mastin2, Ankamius,

Shakira Confirmed

,

Tere, Jaqen Hghar, hiplop

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vezokpiraka - 1 (ZZZX)

Not Voting: Bins, Cerberus v666, ika, Kari, vezokpiraka

mastin2 is LA until June 16th.

9 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-17 23:00:25)

Wicked- I went through my ISO because I knew there was a wagon I'd discussed previously that had me thinking one of T S O or Nacho were scum early in the game. I thought it was the Bins wagon but that's not the case. It's this one. Because Sonic was town I'm pretty sure everyone can accept Comstantine town. You're about to flip town, which I'm not really ok with but can understand I suppose.

Anyhow here it is.

So, if you're really going to mislynch the guy who hammered both scum and who refused to hammer the one townie who would be the absolute most help in sorting this game- get on with it. It's a really stupid play.

Let's be honest - regardless of your flip, "hammering both scum" is a red herring given how little you actually did to get them to that point.

Hey I'm not voting you yet. But thanks for posting that.

Do you think Ank would have replaced out as scum? If he's scum, he was doing so well...

P-edit: @Jaqen

Let's be honest- Everybody was doing the exact opposite of what I was pushing and getting off every wagon I was on. I think I did a fanfuckingtabulous job of recognizing that and then using reverse psychology in pushing and killing them.

↑ Wickedestjr wrote:Hey I'm not voting you yet. But thanks for posting that.

Do you think Ank would have replaced out as scum? If he's scum, he was doing so well...

P-edit: @Jaqen

Yeah, I seem to remember him doing so before in another game, but my memory isn't what it used to be.

Wickedestjr wrote:Hey I'm not voting you yet. But thanks for posting that.

Do you think Ank would have replaced out as scum? If he's scum, he was doing so well...

P-edit: @Jaqen

Where is PeregrineV?

Jaqen, why were you so hesitant to hammer hiplop but still willing to hammer Aristo and ika? You didn't seem to suspect any of them.

Huh you didn't want to join the Nacho mislynch either...