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Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:38 am
by zMuffinMan
it must be hard to play scum well when people have such low expectations of your town game
just how do you do it?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:44 am
by OnTheMark
Now now, a gentleman doesn’t play and tell.
If you want advice on how to be better Mafia then feel free to look at my scum games. I have work to do.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:47 am
by zMuffinMan
i'm just going to put this out there, as the only thing i will say about this that's actually serious (because it's an interesting theory point totally unrelated to you in particular but it does have to do with something you've said)
i think the only people who can truly call themselves good at scum are ones about which people say "if they're alive after N2/N3, lynch them"
if your town game isn't good, then getting away with things as scum is much, much easier
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:49 am
by OnTheMark
That just means they are good town.
Doesn’t mean shit about their scum game dude.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:50 am
by zMuffinMan
if you don't understand what that statement means, then i'm not surprised
i've had my fun. i'm done talking to you now
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:52 am
by Not_Mafia
VOTE: Nahdia
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:58 am
by zMuffinMan
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:02 pm
by Pine
Because she is scum. Like you.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:03 pm
by zMuffinMan
oh. why didn't cheetory tell me that then?
fucking bastard mods
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:27 pm
by Pine
Hostile sarcasm = overdone
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:30 pm
by zMuffinMan
if you think that's overdone, just imagine how cheetory feels about the all caps PM i just sent him
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:30 pm
by Mathdino
VOTE: Nahdia
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:31 pm
by Mathdino
those of you who think muffinman is cheekyscumming it up right here
seem to have completely forgotten his powerplay in partition mafia
he's capable of responding to being the #1 suspect in other ways
like sure, maybe i'm confbiasing by townreading that shit
but treating him like caught scum because he's joking around replacing in is definitely confbiasyisher than me
follow god emperor not_mafia
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:34 pm
by Pine
I can put my thirst for blood on hold.
VOTE: Nahdia
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:51 pm
by zMuffinMan
i didn't plan on playing like this; no one seems to want to engage me or talk about anything game-related with me though, so here we are...
still waiting on literally anyone to give even a summary of claims/actions (also flavour claims if that has happened)
why is nahdia scum?
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:53 pm
by Mathdino
i fully expect mastina and nicorobin to be compiling that list somewhere in their mason PT
as it is, i'm not sure, and i also asked for that upon replace-in and didn't get it
tl;dr nahdia replaced beeboy who fakeclaimed masons with lovebird because he has an ellibereth-strength townread on lovebird
the only townish thing about nahdia is that she immediately retracted that claim upon replace-in
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:10 pm
by zMuffinMan
that doesn't seem like a reason to think that slot is scum. my last game with beeboy, he also
fakeclaimed masons
he could be scum doing it, i suppose, but that seems like a pretty meh reason
do you think
this series of posts was scum theatre?
i think
this post looks more like something a scum player would say to a town player when trying to get suspicion off them
and i think
this post might be a bit too blatant/awkward for a scum-scum interaction
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:32 pm
by Mathdino
to think that i was repeatedly told this game that beeboy wouldn't do something that risky as town
look here's the state of the game
Nahdia: is beeboy, did that shit. mastina doesn't want to lynch her, and neither do you
Lovebird: beeboy claims to have an Ellibereth-strength metaread on Lovebird. I believe him. Others don't.
MOMOMEN: flipless, shouldn't be lynched
mastina/NicoRobin: claimed masons with each other. mason cop died.
Not_Mafia: i have a strong townread on RedFlavor, his predecessor. on the other hand, he's Not_Mafia and is never really a horrible lynch
Pine/Mathdino: claim even/odd night versions of the same role. said role involves inventions. i don't think the specifics have been claimed. pine acts tonight, is probably a bad lynch.
leaving OTM and LLD
so those are probably the high priority slots
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:01 pm
by zMuffinMan
to be fair, beeboy did retract the mason claims after a while in that game (though i think that was partially because it was a micro and everyone was focused on the mason claims early on so little else was being discussed and also the risk of being counter-claimed in a micro is fairly low). but i don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that he'd do it if he had a strong townread on someone (though he might also do it as scum? i dunno) - would have to look at the context behind it and i can't be bothered digging at the moment (unless some kind soul in here can point me directly to it?)
what i read of kokichi's interactions with LLD were fairly neutral - nothing that looked particularly town, nothing that looked particularly bad either
wisdom (OTM) otoh had a fair few interactions with kokichi that didn't look like scum-scum to me. actually probably better for me to just link back to
this rather than mention them all individually (some of them are iffy~ish, thus the question marks)
(i think redflavor looked the worst from kokichi interactions basically because there was suspicion placed onto that slot but nothing ever eventuated from it in terms of an actual push. also the thing kokichi said about the scum PT in response to something redflavor said looked awkward. but nothing strong. but even these interactions aren't solid; they just look worse than other players)
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:02 pm
by Mathdino
Good call. I forgot that I'd promised to do a reread on RedFlavor after a scumflip.
He's >80% readable on D1 without flips, but he's damn near 100% with flips.
Checking now.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:05 pm
by Not_Mafia
I'm town
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:06 pm
by Mathdino
There isn't really anything damning association-wise from Red's side. I'm hesitant to read Kokichi's side for associatives given his reputation.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:16 pm
by OnTheMark
Booooo
One of MathDino/Pine is scum with zMuffinMan.
Boooo
The wagon on Nahdia is scum claiming.
Nahdia’s like obvTown
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:17 pm
by OnTheMark
In post 4317, Mathdino wrote:to think that i was repeatedly told this game that beeboy wouldn't do something that risky as town
look here's the state of the game
Nahdia: is beeboy, did that shit. mastina doesn't want to lynch her, and neither do you
Lovebird: beeboy claims to have an Ellibereth-strength metaread on Lovebird. I believe him. Others don't.
MOMOMEN: flipless, shouldn't be lynched
mastina/NicoRobin: claimed masons with each other. mason cop died.
Not_Mafia: i have a strong townread on RedFlavor, his predecessor. on the other hand, he's Not_Mafia and is never really a horrible lynch
Pine/Mathdino: claim even/odd night versions of the same role. said role involves inventions. i don't think the specifics have been claimed. pine acts tonight, is probably a bad lynch.
leaving OTM and LLD
so those are probably the high priority slots
Says he doesn’t want to lynch Nahdia while voting Nadhia.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:35 pm
by Mathdino
where in that post did i ever say that i did not want to lynch nahdia