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In post 4295, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:

In post 4293, Datisi wrote:why tf is gl now scum for correctly calling out the fact that alyssa barely mentioned rh9 before pairing with him?

That literally is irrelevant to anything

In post 4298, Harley Quinn wrote:

In post 4284, Taly wrote:

In post 4260, GuiltyLion wrote:@Alyssa, I could see either you/RH9 or Shiro/HQ as S-S pairs. they were both formed kind of abruptly and all of you are townreading your partners / not expressing even an iota of inclination of considering leaving.

Have you?

Now one of us is SvS. How is this a townie thought?

Not being paranoid on your partner doesn’t you scum. Even that argument sounds like something scum might say. I would be if Shiro had done absolutely anything to ping me but he hasn’t. I would leave the dance in a nanosecond if he had.

In post 4166, GuiltyLion wrote:is there anything he's posted in there that he hasn't expressed similarly in the main thread? do you feel he's trying to sort you at all, any disparities between his reads there and his reads here?

In post 4167, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I'll have to look again to be sure on that one

In post 4281, GuiltyLion wrote:like ISOing you + RH9 just actually kinda convinced me that your pairing with RH9 is Extremely Bad, Actually, so thanks for making me go back and check lol. And that comment about marci in 1377 is super agenda-y knowing marci is scum

VOTE: Alyssa + RH9

In post 4296, Titus wrote:Nancy/Shiro, StD is saying that Nancy isn't stubborn enough for my read to be valid.

In post 4301, Shiro wrote:

In post 4298, Harley Quinn wrote:

In post 4284, Taly wrote:

In post 4260, GuiltyLion wrote:@Alyssa, I could see either you/RH9 or Shiro/HQ as S-S pairs. they were both formed kind of abruptly and all of you are townreading your partners / not expressing even an iota of inclination of considering leaving.

Have you?

Now one of us is SvS. How is this a townie thought?

Not being paranoid on your partner doesn’t you scum. Even that argument sounds like something scum might say. I would be if Shiro had done absolutely anything to ping me but he hasn’t. I would leave the dance in a nanosecond if he had.

In post 4302, Shiro wrote:oh snap that was way way bigger than I thought XD

In post 4308, Taly wrote:No I don't want

Aly

limmed

In post 4306, Harley Quinn wrote:

In post 4296, Titus wrote:Nancy/Shiro, StD is saying that Nancy isn't stubborn enough for my read to be valid.

How am I not being stubborn? Is STD even reading the same game? I think it’s possible he could be scum but I’m back to hard tr you rn and think it’s still possible he could be confibiased.

Flipped town, townlocked me and he should be listening to players who are much better at reading me.

In post 4312, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I am purposely not voting back because I don't believe this 1v1 needs to be resolved, nor is GL the optimal kill today

In post 4311, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 4308, Taly wrote:No I don't want

Aly

limmed

respectfully sir I think you have been pocket'd

In post 4311, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 4308, Taly wrote:No I don't want

Aly

limmed

respectfully sir I think you have been pocket'd

In post 1377, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Functionally, I think that my prior idea that the scumteam has been mostly posturing throughout the game is correct. I'm fully expecting that the scumteam are planning or at least is not averse to creating one SvS pair (which in a game like this with four scum instead of three, is significantly more powerful than four TvS pairs). I personally think the scumteam aren't really planning around making a SvS pair, or they already would have probably done so. I strongly suspect that the scumteam are instead attempting to create poisoned pairings with players that otherwise would be threats towards the scumteam reaching endgame in the second dance.

It's particularly interesting to me because the first real indicator that I saw towards scum making any serious moves was that initial push by several people towards being partnered with LLD, almost to the point that it was more popular to do so rather than not. This in particular is a huge red flag to me because LLD is a player that is good at channeling confidence and pressure onto other slots and is a player I definitely wouldn't say is lying about being willing to leave the dance if she suspects she has a scum partner. I have particular thoughts I will get into a bit later about her scuffle with GuiltyLion, but what I strongly suspect is happening is that the scumteam are attempting to take advantage of this likely incorrect read to either pocket her and use her as an avenue to get their own agenda across (effectively poisoning her contribution to the game) or even to just get her to remove herself entirely from the game. I've been noticing that a lot of these same slots doing this are also saying they would also pair with me, which is making me wonder if I'm also another target for this. This somewhat insinuates that the scumteam has a member that both sees me as a threat and has some knowledge on how to play around me, but that doesn't necessarily incriminate any particular person in this playerlist even if it does happen to be correct.

But, it does tell me that the scumteam are very likely focusing on dividing town up and poisoning the well. I don't think the scumteam are making any particularly aggressive moves, which means they are probably looking to play the slow game and avoid town getting too much from any one particular flip than anything else. They're playing safer than that.

But what this does mean is that there are some reads that are more likely correct, namely that this likely means Cabd was indeed scum that was too brazen in enacting this. This means GuiltyLion is likely town (technically it's

possible

that this can indicate Cabd as town and GuiltyLion as scum, but that's a tinfoil theory that's not all that likely to be true compared to the much simpler explanation). I don't think this means that LLD-slot is necessarily scum or that Prism-slot is necessarily town. I think the LLD slot is actually more likely to be town still, but it makes me significantly less comfortable keeping that slot past the intermission stage of the game. While Titus is one of the strongest enabler players as town in this playerlist, I don't think that overshadows the worth that knowing the alignment of that slot gives. Regardless of who Titus winds up pairing with, I don't think that pairing should ever reach intermission.

I think that likely one of marcistar and RH9 is scum, considering that the two of them are the ones I most distinctly remember doing this potential posturing. I don't find it super likely that both are scum, but it is possible.
I don't think that both marcistar and angielily are scum, but I find it likely that one is.
I do still believe that Firebringer+Andante are TvT
I'm going to pretend that Ydrasse doesn't exist in a read sense since her alignment is effectively irrelevant until post-intermission assuming that pairing survives intermission.
I think that Catboi is likely town from this, but I'm not entirely sure since I could see a world where Catboi could have pivoted towards attempting to pocket me using the Cabd thing as a springboard. I admit I'm also really not sure how to take the trajectory towards looking to pair with me in the first place.
I still think Datisi is town. Galron I want to say is town, but I don't know enough about him to be able to assess how likely I am to read him accurately. Save the Dragons and Malakittens I have no true read on, but shot in the dark logic is that Malakittens is town.

In post 4315, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 4312, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I am purposely not voting back because I don't believe this 1v1 needs to be resolved, nor is GL the optimal kill today

are you sure it's not cause my townflip would look extremely bad for you if we 1v1d

In post 4313, Titus wrote:He totally TRs Shiro and feels it's a big brain play. He feels you're dragging along a useless partner

In post 4313, Titus wrote:He feels you're dragging along a useless partner

In post 4313, Titus wrote:useless partner

In post 4316, Taly wrote:

In post 4311, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 4308, Taly wrote:No I don't want

Aly

limmed

respectfully sir I think you have been pocket'd

Then tell me why. Tell me why Aly pairs with her partner or why she is scum to begin with.

In post 4321, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 4316, Taly wrote:

In post 4311, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 4308, Taly wrote:No I don't want

Aly

limmed

respectfully sir I think you have been pocket'd

Then tell me why. Tell me why Aly pairs with her partner or why she is scum to begin with.

well, she stalled out any possibility of pairing with catboi. if scum!Alyssa is afraid of him being good at reading her I can see why she wouldn't want to pair with him.

She didn't have many options left after catboi repped out, it was either RH9, catboi replacement, or Galron

I don't think it's really correct to frame this as a conscious decision to pair with her partner, it was kinda randomly impulsively done like I said after Datisi and I paired. and I could see Alyssa being confident enough in her scum game to try to carry RH9 though endgame, it also means she doesn't have to trick any townies in a PT, that's a ton less effort

she's scum by POE largely because I have solid townreads on all of Fire, Datisi, Titus, STD, Galron, S_S, and she started flipping out and OMGUSing once I was casing RH9 and pushing him. not hard to see it, really. she still hasn't once given a good reason to townread RH9