Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[zMuffinMan]

right. so you're reading the rest of the game as town?

what makes you think mathdino is town? what makes you think OTM is town?

why is LLD your first pick?

[Not_Mafia]

It's just how I feel inside

LLD isn't handling her scumread of me like I'd expect her to, seems half hearted, maybe it's the vote thing but I don't think so

[zMuffinMan]

you would expect her to go after you with more vigor or something? why?

[mastina]

Alright, taking the smallest of breaks from modding (feel a bit guilty about that but oh well) to get caught up here.

[mastina]

Can you explain again? I don't see it.

Sure, after I have the free time to do so. (Which is not now. I knew that when I started to mod my games the quality of my play sitewide would tank. Probably shoulda warned y'all about that in advance in hindsight but oh well. You know now! )

There is no gamethread evidence. I spent 100+ posta defending uou unneccessarily. Hell you should honestly be townreading the PM I sent you and my reaction around that, that's not how xcum me would have played it.

Honestly after I reflected. I am. Among other factors. So yes. I do hold the townread again. Unfortunately, I can't really figure out how to explain why I hold it again, I just do.

[mastina]

Mastina is often wrong. The problem is that Mastina is the only way we pull Nico out of her deathtunnel. Assuming scum doesn't bus or self-vote, that's four votes down.

This game is hard.

This specific game, that is.

I know that my play quality has tanked because yeah modding.

But even without it. Even if I were playing in just this game and literally doing nothing else on site.

I'd still be sucking this game and being everything wrong about being conftown. I rant about it all the time. How there are two types of conftown, the conftown that take initiative and are leaders, and the conftown that are basically so worthless as to be basically scum MVPs. I'm the latter right now and I don't see the fix.

I'm trying.

I feel like, and this may or may not make sense.

I feel like we're inches away from having the entire game solved.
I feel like the pieces of the puzzle are all there, easily solvable, if we were to pull just one thread correctly.
I feel like everything would just fall into place magically if we were able to get one thing different. And in that environment. I'd be able to lead, to be what conftown should be. I feel we're close to it. But that we're currently without it. And without it, we're just...well, I'm personally worthless.

And I'm trying to get it so the pieces fall together, but I can't figure out how to make it happen.

[mastina]

I forgot that we can just rolecop MOMOMEN

...In spite of Pine being the counterpart to your role having messaged you?

VOTE: Mathdino.
(Pretty sure I was already there, but.)

[Pine]

Mastina no.

[Mathdino]

wait what is mastina even trying to say with that post

i've reread it 3 times and i'm still trying to understand

it's like she made a wall about sucking at the game and being confused/scuMVP

and then self fulfilled said prophecy

[Mathdino]

pine what do mastina and nicorobin currently think our role is exactly

[Pine]

Not sure ask them

I’m considering fullclaiming. It’s pretty impossible that the scumteam hasn’t put it together, but pretty likely that Townies aren’t paying close enough attention

I find it ironic that Mastina is voting for you given the invention I gave them came from you

[Mathdino]

i mean in that post i was literally asking mastina to rolecop momomen and confirm that they are indeed flipless so

[mastina]

i mean in that post i was literally asking mastina to rolecop momomen and confirm that they are indeed flipless so

The point I'm making is that you forgot your own role. (Well, actually, I thought the rolecop came from Pine with that you acted tonight and that you were aware of Pine's powers, but this is even more damning than that.)

I received the rolecop.
But you should, as the person who gave it to me, have fucking remembered this very important aspect of the game. ESPECIALLY as you are a mechanics/role-driven player. You're telling me you fucking forgot you handed me a rolecop?

[zMuffinMan]

youre misunderstanding

it's not that he forgot that, it's that he wasnt cognizant of that being a good way to use it

[mastina]

youre misunderstanding
it's not that he forgot that, it's that he wasnt cognizant of that being a good way to use it

Point still holds.
Mathdino is a fucking role/mechanic-driven player.
He knows of the rolecop intimately because it's his own role.
He knows of your flipless nature.

Two of those three in the game together, not a problem.
All three of them in the game together, not something which should happen from a town-Mathdino because he--as a mechanics-driven player--should absolutely have connected the dots between the rolecop and the flipless claim.

But he 'forgot' about it.

[zMuffinMan]

no, i think he saw people doubting it and went "oh, duh, there's an easy way to settle this"

it's the equivalent of someone who wants to lynch a claimed vig after a cc going "oh duh, they can just shoot each other"

[zMuffinMan]

if it makes things easier to understand, i dont think he gave you a rolecop specifically to use on me, thus the "oh, duh" moment

but that's just how im reading it

[zMuffinMan]

also dont see why scum-him forgets he gave you a rolecop either (coz, ya know, i think id be fairly conscious of that) so i think my interpretation makes more sense tbh

[Mathdino]

to be fair i've basically done nothing mechanically

when i joined the game i got my role, was like okay this is confusing, had to PM cheetory to clarify it

and then like an hour later got another PM being like "oh shit right alisae sent you this message"
and apparently there was some communication going on planning what to do
AND cheeky had already decided what to do with my role

so i've kinda just been letting shit happen
it took like 2 IRL days to figure out the full list of relevant claims
and tbh i didn't expect the rolecop to be used at all -- i was kind of surprised today when i found out you ended up getting the rolecop

[Mathdino]

i lost the quote button because sleepykrew put me on maftigers whoops

Mathdino is a fucking role/mechanic-driven player.
He knows of the rolecop intimately because it's his own role.
He knows of your flipless nature.

Two of those three in the game together, not a problem.
All three of them in the game together, not something which should happen from a town-Mathdino because he--as a mechanics-driven player--should absolutely have connected the dots between the rolecop and the flipless claim.

But he 'forgot' about it.

your profiles of me have been consistently incorrect -- i even checked team mafia for this

being good at mechanics is a symptom of me being good at logic puzzles

but i know an unbreakable setup when i see one
and upicks are rarely if ever breakable
so i went into this not planning to use that part of my skillset at all

i don't think a lot of my friends would describe me as role/mechanic driven (wish i could get a quote from buddies on discord tbh)
it's that your limited experience with me has seen me in games where mechanics happened to be a skill in short supply
- your hilariously unbalanced game (breakable)
- gamma's game (breakable on the assumption that there weren't 4 scum)

i don't know if you're going to have time for this but i really can't recommend enough that you meta me and develop a better profile
like

i just fucking know

i can be meta-read but i can't just blather self-meta all over the place
and yes, like you, i can say i'm meta-readable and still not be capable of changing it
i don't roll scum nearly enough to have any motivation to manipulate my own meta -- it helps far more of my games to just town it the fuck up

POINT IS

PLEASE
PLEASE
META ME

there's a reason eddie cane knew i was town, and it was beyond cheeky being incredibly obviously town if you've played with her as both alignments

[Mathdino]

look i know i've been walking around this game a little entitled because eddie recognised i was town
and some part of me still thinks maybe one of my friends replaces into this 175 page hellhole of a game and figures out i'm town so we can move on

but that's not happening so all i can do is repeat that i'm town and you
just
gotta
meta me

because it doesn't work if i defend myself -- it only works if someone else in the game defends me

[Mathdino]

eddie is aware of a couple facets of my playstyle that probably only two dozen or so players onsite are

objectively speaking, the probability that he gets this read wrong is absolutely minimal

[zMuffinMan]

maybe you're being scum-read because you're wearing a fedora

an image change might help you

[Mathdino]

Idk man
People tend to gut scumread me the more experience they get for some reason

[zMuffinMan]

varsoon used to scum read me every game because of my avatar

that's why he made this for me:

Spoiler:

but that gave people seizures

so he made this for me instead:

Spoiler:

after that, he still scum-read me every game, but he could no longer blame it on the avatar

an important lesson was learned somewhere but i don't know what it was