In post 3948, Toogeloo wrote:She's remained active but allowed her reads to ebb and flow with the current game state.
Do explain because I've made my stances pretty damn abundantly clear with zero waffling on them aside from my reads in the poe that aren't harder scumreads. (Which, obviously, are reads that, no fucking shit I'm going to have them ebb and flow off of the current gamestate, because explicitly, they are reads that I waver on and am unsure on so literally any development in the game can sway them to one side or the other. Those being, mostly, you and Dunnstral.)
In post 3948, Toogeloo wrote: One mislynch on Day 1 that she headlines, and her town reads are becoming scum reads because she can read the room and see what people want.
Most of my townreads are very much still my townreads.
There are a grand total of three reads of mine that were townreads D1 that on D2 are not: you, Dunnstral, and Bell.
This of course being necessary because there's four scum in the game and I had three scumreads--meaning that I was, inherently, by fundamental nature of the setup, definitively wrong on at least one townread, and unless all three of my scumreads were accurate, probably two. And if 2/3 of my scumreads were wrong, then there could in fact be three wrong townreads that I had on D1.
I reevaluated my reads because I had a very damn good reason to do so, and
most
of my townreads remain as townreads, with only three of them being reevaluated as something other than a townread...
...And even then? Even then, one of those reads is Dunnstral, who I still have an overall right now gut-townread on, where while he's in the POE pool of six where 4/6 of them are scum, he's the towniest of the six that I happen to think is least-likely to be scum.
So...which of my posts are 'actively lurking'? Which of my posts are 'letting' the Bell/DEB thing happen? Because I've made my stance there clear enough.
I feel both players are likely to be scum, with the whole detective-detective thing being scum theater.
I feel that, while both claims could theoretically be town in the setup, that at least one of them is going to be scum, and personally feel the most likely scenario is that both are scum (although I have acknowledged that is a tough sell to make).
I have stated that, by play, I feel like both slots are scum.
I have also said that, push come to shove, if I were forced to trust one claim over another, that Bell's far more likely scum than DEB.
But I've also said that I think both are scum.
I've given reasons for believing Bell to be scum.
I've continued giving reasons for Creature to be scum.
I've explained my reasons for my reads on the players I am townreading pretty extensively as well as going into detail on the reads in the poe pool pretty extensively.
Pretty much the only read I haven't explained is the DEB read, which...well, because it's DEB...there's not much to work with there in terms of explaining because it's DEB.
If that's your definition of 'active lurking', I'd love to see what your definition of being a proactive gamesolver is.
In post 3928, Spiffeh wrote:I think Creature should absolutely be the vig shot, maybe Toogeloo should be under consideration too?
Agreed.
A much better vig pool would be {Creature, Toogeloo, MURDERCAT, Dunnstral}, honestly.
With the IC getting to trim it down to three.
(I personally think Dunnstral's more likely to be town than scum overall, but I do understand that, yes, he is still in the poe pool so he wouldn't be a horrible shot. Not the best shot, but not the worst shot, either.)
The burden of proof is on the accuser (because it's innocent until proven guilty, not vice-versa)--and you've made your accusations with your proof...that multiple players have addressed and at least some have countered. In my case, I went into the details for why I felt your case on Polar Bear Express is wrong.
You conveniently never actually went and addressed this.
You made your case and I explained why I felt it was flawed.
You've not made a second case or an explanation for why your first case wasn't flawed.
I don't see anything scum in that catchup. It's not as strong of a catchup as is humanly possible, giving less stances than it could and not addressing literally everything. But this is Noraa we're talking about, a slot whose fundamental playstyle is, innately, one where the strongest catchup humanly possible is innately impossible to achieve. In terms of Noraa making a catchup post, in fact, this is basically almost peak-performance, in being one of the best possible catchup posts for Noraa humanly possible. In that sense, it looks town.
And the burden of proof for showing and demonstrating why it isn't lies on you.
