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In post 4366, Bell wrote:

In post 4362, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4361, Bell wrote:You corrected me in that you said what would be the appropriate play and then said it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Roden flipped town and their Mason partner was confirmed the next day. Which is still a bad take.

It’s not though?

I want two masons alive. That’s the best. People came around to that.
But one confirmed town is still good. It’s not best but acceptable.

Name a worse outcome D2 then the one you listed as not being the end of the world.

Flash wagoning a cop
Investigatives/protectives slipping
Elimming someone before they claim a result and get flip hidden
Elimming someone that fucks with the gamestate

A mason is pretty low on importance in a game this size.

There’s probably more worse outcomes but that’s at the top of my head

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

I miss stated what I was asking. My fault.
I meant within the confines of the current claims.
Going from D1 to D2. It’s simply not a good outcome to miselim a mason.
That was my point. While it’s not the end of the world. It’s also not an acceptable outcome given how easily such a situation could be resolved.

In post 4373, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4365, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

In post 4379, Bell wrote:I miss stated what I was asking. My fault.
I meant within the confines of the current claims.
Going from D1 to D2. It’s simply not a good outcome to miselim a mason.
That was my point. While it’s not the end of the world. It’s also not an acceptable outcome given how easily such a situation could be resolved.

But it kind of is? Like Mason’s utility goes down as player size goes up.

If scum want to expend their capital elimming a mason then that’s acceptable considering how low utility it is.

It’s literally not as bad as you’re making it.

So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

Why this position on MB versus your position on Mastina?

In post 4380, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 4373, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4365, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

That’s what I was doing then I got ran up for not hyperposting.

In post 4381, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4379, Bell wrote:I miss stated what I was asking. My fault.
I meant within the confines of the current claims.
Going from D1 to D2. It’s simply not a good outcome to miselim a mason.
That was my point. While it’s not the end of the world. It’s also not an acceptable outcome given how easily such a situation could be resolved.

But it kind of is? Like Mason’s utility goes down as player size goes up.

If scum want to expend their capital elimming a mason then that’s acceptable considering how low utility it is.

It’s literally not as bad as you’re making it.

So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

Hypothesis. Not theory.
One data point, not a proof.

I think you’d have been run up even if you did hyper post.

In post 4378, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

thanks i appreciate the constructive criticism

In post 4380, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 4373, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4365, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

yes it is impossible that i think most players are worth hearing out truly a ridiculous take from me

In post 4378, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

Correction 3. I TR’d wallflower too

If you’re going to mention a game at least be honest about it

In post 4382, Bell wrote:

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

Why this position on MB versus your position on Mastina?

math is capable of giving explanations such that you can see how he got where he got

i don't have time to read mastina's posts that say "because i said so" 30 different ways; also, i was playing up my hostility towards mastina in that game to distance from her

In post 4388, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4378, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

Correction 3. I TR’d wallflower too

If you’re going to mention a game at least be honest about it

And she was also scum. so what’s your point?

K.

In post 4384, Bell wrote:

In post 4381, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4379, Bell wrote:I miss stated what I was asking. My fault.
I meant within the confines of the current claims.
Going from D1 to D2. It’s simply not a good outcome to miselim a mason.
That was my point. While it’s not the end of the world. It’s also not an acceptable outcome given how easily such a situation could be resolved.

But it kind of is? Like Mason’s utility goes down as player size goes up.

If scum want to expend their capital elimming a mason then that’s acceptable considering how low utility it is.

It’s literally not as bad as you’re making it.

So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

Hypothesis. Not theory.
One data point, not a proof.

One data point.
Another point I was ran up and Corwin wasn’t.
Another point people aren’t consolidating and I wouldn’t be surprised if this sets a record for size.
I am no where near the biggest poster in the game.

There’s a lot of them. I should say prove to me.

i wish i could filter out posts that are rehashing other games that aren't relevant to this one

In post 4390, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4388, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4378, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

Correction 3. I TR’d wallflower too

If you’re going to mention a game at least be honest about it

And she was also scum. so what’s your point?

If you’re going to cite games, cite them correctly.

Slow down and make a factually correct point

In post 4383, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4380, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 4373, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4365, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

That’s what I was doing then I got ran up for not hyperposting.

Well keep trying IMO. It's not unusual to experience setbacks when you do the right thing, especially if it's a change from the usual.

In post 4381, MathBlade wrote:So hence if people disagree and elim Roden it has to have scum backing which proves my active scum theory.

What is the active scum hypothesis?

In post 4389, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4382, Bell wrote:

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

Why this position on MB versus your position on Mastina?

math is capable of giving explanations such that you can see how he got where he got

i don't have time to read mastina's posts that say "because i said so" 30 different ways; also, i was playing up my hostility towards mastina in that game to distance from her

Yes, that’s why I didn’t omgus him for his read on us because I could see a reasonable thought processes behind it, that doesn’t change the fact that he’s still wrong.

Arguing that he has a townie thought process behind his reads /= being right.

IMO Ceph is blatantly attempting to pocket MathBlade right now as well as flamebaiting everyone.

In post 4397, Frogsterking wrote:IMO Ceph is blatantly attempting to pocket MathBlade right now as well as flamebaiting everyone.

do you disagree that math's posts are worthy of being read? otherwise, can you kindly cease inserting yourself into my lines of questioning?

In post 4394, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4390, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4388, MathBlade wrote:

In post 4378, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4374, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

Correction 3. I TR’d wallflower too

If you’re going to mention a game at least be honest about it

And she was also scum. so what’s your point?

If you’re going to cite games, cite them correctly.

Slow down and make a factually correct point

You tr HEM, Enchant and Wallflower correct? The reason I left her out was that you were eventually correctly sr her, so what did I say that was “factually incorrect”?