League of Legends (Old)

[hiplop]

2 waves of minions not levels!

Like, meaning cho will regen off the minon eaves with his padsive

[Voidedmafia]

2 waves of minions not levels!

Like, meaning cho will regen off the minon eaves with his padsive

Don't you get lvl 2 off 2 waves in mid lane, though?

Assuming you get perfect cs, of course.

[JasonWazza]

Nah i mean if you can 100-0 Cho within 2 waves at level 6 that's fine, the problem is his passive is this:

Whenever Cho'Gath kills an enemy unit or structure, he recovers「 17 + (3 × Cho'Gath's level) 」health and「 3.25 + (0.25 × Cho'Gath's level) 」mana.

Meaning a wave is easily 100 health if your not a complete retard (CSing on Cho is simple)

[animorpherv1]

Cho pushes Ezreal in, due to Ezreal's lack of non-ult waveclear, so Cho should outfarm Ez. I dont think anyone dies in this lane, though.

[Psyche]

i feel depressed but i'm not budging

[BROseidon]

the bonus on the lazer is way too good not to get right away

The bonus on laser is really fucking broken and needs to be nerfed, honestly.

[BROseidon]

However your Cho'gath, so you don't really lose any lane assuming you can half competently CS.

And if your AP, then you beat Ez pretty easily because your combo beats his escape.

Malzahar disagrees. There are a few other mids that give Cho trouble, but Malz is probably his worst matchup.

[BROseidon]

AP

I figured he'd be able to poke me down, but I guess I just outsustain him too hard early

It's not just that, but also his lack of wave clear pre-runeglave (which is when you're most vulnerable) that makes the matchup strongly in Cho's favor.

[Maestro]

the bonus on the lazer is way too good not to get right away

The bonus on laser is really fucking broken and needs to be nerfed, honestly.

E upgrade is just begging to be ganked if their jungler is paying asny attention.
You should get Q first for laning poke/harrass and escape and E later on, I'd vote after 2nd item.

[Banakai]

If ezreal went BORK early he might be able to win I think, especially with ganks

[Voidedmafia]

If ezreal went BORK early he might be able to win I think, especially with ganks

Why would AP ez buy a Bork?

[Banakai]

If ezreal went BORK early he might be able to win I think, especially with ganks

Why would AP ez buy a Bork?

If he played ad

[animorpherv1]

Olaf confirmed for top tier support.

[Glork]

If ezreal went BORK early he might be able to win I think, especially with ganks

Why would AP ez buy a Bork?

If he played ad

...that's fine and dandy except the conversation was specifically about AP Ez vs Cho'Gath mid, hence th confusion about building BOTRK.

[Voidedmafia]

Hey, if I wanted to go Naut top, what's my gameplan (runes, masteries, item build)?

[quadz08]

Olaf confirmed for top tier support.

oh lordy

[Oversoul]

Hey, if I wanted to go Naut top, what's my gameplan (runes, masteries, item build)?

I forget exactly what my friend did, but he went AP Nautilus top building a banner. Won him a fair number of games. I'll ask him later today what his exact runes/masteries/build.

[BROseidon]

Hey, if I wanted to go Naut top, what's my gameplan (runes, masteries, item build)?

9/21/0, taking 5% CDR over AS. 5% CDR + tankiness in runes, build tank.

[JasonWazza]

IBG>tank is how i built my Naut top.

Hey, if I wanted to go Naut top, what's my gameplan (runes, masteries, item build)?

9/21/0, taking 5% CDR over AS. 5% CDR + tankiness in runes, build tank.

Question if your going only the 21 in Def, what points do you drop (mine for top lane is 5/25)

[TheButtonmen]

Cho pushes Ezreal in, due to Ezreal's lack of non-ult waveclear, so Cho should outfarm Ez. I dont think anyone dies in this lane, though.

Cho has no escapes, non-stellar base move speed and shoves the lane pretty hard, he's a pretty great target for junglers to pressure.

[quadz08]

I think he means not including jungle intervention

[animorpherv1]

I think he means not including jungle intervention

Yup. If we're talking about one champ laning against another, it's pretty standard to assume lack of junglers, I thought.

[AstralFlare]

Olaf confirmed for top tier support.

Death is the hardest CC.

IBG>tank is how i built my Naut top.

Hey, if I wanted to go Naut top, what's my gameplan (runes, masteries, item build)?

9/21/0, taking 5% CDR over AS. 5% CDR + tankiness in runes, build tank.

Question if your going only the 21 in Def, what points do you drop (mine for top lane is 5/25)

Phreak did a pretty cool vid on it.

This is for your standard AD top: http://i.imgur.com/7OH8BFa.png

[JasonWazza]

I hate champions that have AS slows.

[quadz08]

I think I am going to try AD jungle Leona