Starry Night [Game Over]

Ankamius · Post Post #4400 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:11 pm

Fire

In post 2460, Kagami wrote:
In post 2457, Ankamius wrote:100% loudest one though
Yes, looks like you initially had a scumread on FB that has recently flipped, GR had FB as townread when he made his list, and that's it among living players as far as I can tell.

Makes me somewhat skeptical of Shiro-scum unless we're hypothesizing a scum-scum pair. There's some plausibility in {shiro, GR}, I think, but that requires further review.

what do you think of this?

MariaR · Post Post #4401 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:11 pm

In post 4396, unwnd wrote:
In post 4391, MariaR wrote:Umd you said why Shiro is there but why am I? (scumread wise)

Spoiler:
This sounds stupid but I don't want you to be mad at me if I'm wrong about you so my brain is just defaulting to hoping Shiro is just scum so you wouldn't ever wanna play with me again cause It's nice to do stuff together lol

I would never get mad at you for thinking I'm scum and being wrong I hope you know that. Please, if you think I'm honestly scum try to lynch me. I wanna win this as town because people tr me not you fearing to be wrong.

Firebringer · Post Post #4402 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:12 pm

ohh shiro scumread golden robster.

also shiro has been scumreading Maria all game.

unwnd · Post Post #4403 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:13 pm

In post 4399, MariaR wrote:
In post 4395, Firebringer wrote:okay. so that thing with dunn earlier was just to get the lynch, right?
I thought that was blatantly obvious yes
pedit:Okay so how did this happens:
In post 4150, unwnd wrote:I honestly would clear you of all doubt if GRob is red Maria

In post 4370, unwnd wrote:
In post 4367, MariaR wrote:I think we should figure out our strong townreads atm. Considering it's 1 scum left if we all have a strong townread on a slot we can lower the poe. Along with the fact that if X has a strong townread on Y it's good to consider because X is either scum or town who has a confident read on Y
Ankimus
Firebringer
--
Pops
You/Shiro

I was lying a bit about it so you would get on GRob if you were scum

Underhanded tactic and pretty worthless if youre just town but yeah

PEdit: LOL That response is even more scary. You do certain things that make me hesitate but I guess where I stand is I really feel like there was a deepscum planted somewhere if FB is right on Shiro

Firebringer · Post Post #4404 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:14 pm

In post 4400, Ankamius wrote:Fire

In post 2460, Kagami wrote:
In post 2457, Ankamius wrote:100% loudest one though
Yes, looks like you initially had a scumread on FB that has recently flipped, GR had FB as townread when he made his list, and that's it among living players as far as I can tell.

Makes me somewhat skeptical of Shiro-scum unless we're hypothesizing a scum-scum pair. There's some plausibility in {shiro, GR}, I think, but that requires further review.
what do you think of this?

i don't know what to think of this.

to me the scummiest thing shiro did was reject my first dance request because i gave a "questionable condition" i don't really think town!shiro would have cared.

MariaR · Post Post #4405 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:15 pm

In post 4403, unwnd wrote:Underhanded tactic and pretty worthless if youre just town but yeah

PEdit: LOL That response is even more scary. You do certain things that make me hesitate but I guess where I stand is I really feel like there was a deepscum planted somewhere if FB is right on Shiro

I'm thinking it's Pops or Shiro atm. Obvious you wouldn't be okay with me and Ank as the last pair yet. So how can I help

unwnd · Post Post #4406 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:17 pm

What's your feeling about Pops? Is it just PoE?

MariaR · Post Post #4407 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:19 pm

Yes, I have no real reason to suspect pops, but I said to myself. 'I don't really need to suspect or hunt for anyone if I know my pairing is town, so I just need to stop overthinking.'

Ankamius · Post Post #4408 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:21 pm

it's Shiro or pops

unwnd · Post Post #4409 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:24 pm

Gonna give this thread a mental break and see what Pops says

popsofctown · Post Post #4410 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:59 pm

towncasing you was fun

If MariaR left you that'd be really dumb, MariaR is the only possible scum in the pair

I am pretty concerned about Shiro being Occam's razor scum

And I'm pretty concerned about MariaR's "I'm gonna leave Ank" "loljk I was just LAMISTing"

It looks like I'm definitely getting lynched here so I have a coin toss chance of losing this game

Which is less than I'd prefer but oh well

Ankamius · Post Post #4411 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:01 pm

what are your overall reads pops?

popsofctown · Post Post #4412 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:02 pm

Ank
unwnd
Firebringer
Mariar
Shiro

Ankamius · Post Post #4413 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:06 pm

can you go into your mariar read for me if you can?

popsofctown · Post Post #4414 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:06 pm

Not sure if I should dig dig through isos to figure out whether Shiro's six posts are scummier or townier than MariaR's 90 posts and give you all an opinion or if you'd just not really care and do Shiro last pair no matter what.

Earlier in the day phase since Firebring has ability to flip scum FB/Shiro was head and shoulders stronger lynch but when it's the 4 man LyLo where you are actually just identifying the exact individual who is scum MariaR vs. Shiro is a bit closer

Ankamius · Post Post #4415 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:08 pm

I have no idea what you're trying to say with 4414 (?)

popsofctown · Post Post #4416 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:11 pm

MariaR most of the game kinda just did what she wanted. I kinda can't find much survivor tell off of her. Even setting aside the whole pick a bad partner wifom just the way she has been playing isn't particularly good for surviving. She pushed Cephrir wagon and joined Grob wagon without providing much independent reasoning which would kinda be scummy but when Grob did really flip scum and I would 10/10 mislynch Cephrir over again on the same play that's not scum indicative the way an unjustified LHF fruit lynch might would be.

What I'm not happy with is a lot of dissonance coming from her slot right now that seems totally based on whether we'd be amenable to a MariaR last pair standing rather than changing her read of you based on her play. She literally went from planning to leave you after one more red flip to townlocking you when you had like no meaningful play in the intervening period.

popsofctown · Post Post #4417 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:12 pm

4414 is should I give an opinion on whether Shiro or MariaR is a better last pair
or should i just expect you guys will do whatever you wanna do

Firebringer · Post Post #4418 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:13 pm

i am kind of thinkings its maria tbh lol

Firebringer · Post Post #4419 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:13 pm

pops makes some good points.

popsofctown · Post Post #4420 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:14 pm

FB is 3 pairs left endgame
did you unlock the achievement you wanted
can we high five about that

Firebringer · Post Post #4421 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:16 pm

I have to survive endgame to get that achievement.

popsofctown · Post Post #4422 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:17 pm

hm if you survive endgame don't you win as either alignment?

Firebringer · Post Post #4423 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:18 pm

i consider surviving endgame just being alive, not winning or losing.

there was a debate in MD about this though.

Firebringer · Post Post #4424 (ISO) » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:18 pm

i have decided to move the goal posts on my achievement being that i just don't leave the dance of my own volition. Which means i win as long as i can hold back the urge to do something impulsive.

which is harder than it sounds.