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On the topic of nom though, VFP death tunneled the slot and I voted Nom! I think chaos' first post is saying nom and Nero is TvT and then voting dunnstral, which became that wagon iirc.

Then don’t inflate what you’ve done. That’s what I’m getting irritated by. You had Titus south of null in post 100 but push comes to shove that day, you defend there. You defended nom3. You leave the door open to move away from Titus, and only vote when you absolutely couldn’t avoid it because it was going to happen without you and that would be catastrophic.

On the day Titus gets executed.

VOTE: kyouko
I’d need to see a very good counter to dwlee’s points in favor of him being town before I am okay with voting him

Oh so you mean what I just posted there but remembering my thought process from like two months ago?

If you agreed on outcome you would have voted there and explained your reasoning. This is just bullshit I’m sorry.

In post 4404, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh so you mean what I just posted there but remembering my thought process from like two months ago?

You misremembering what you’ve posted is your issue, not mine. If you want to say my case is bullshit, then at least get basic shit right.

Andres, I've been wrong. I KNOW THAT. But I'm not lying. I did case Osuka and Titus even if I've faltered in confidence at times. Sometimes I death tunnel, sometimes I wander to my conclusions while rereading things. I reread Titus things and was considering that slot scummy, thought about Gamma more, and then before my Titus vote I was reading more there and thinking about trusting in the power of Nero and my earlier case.

Pedit: I don't even know who I was voting in that post you quoted because it's completely devoid of context so what was I doing there?

In post 4406, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 4404, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh so you mean what I just posted there but remembering my thought process from like two months ago?

You misremembering what you’ve posted is your issue, not mine. If you want to say my case is bullshit, then at least get basic shit right.

In post 4398, Dwlee99 wrote:Because I've agreed with Nero on outcome but not process at times. His case on pre-flip associatives was bad but I think I should have taken the active lurking accusation more seriously

Pedit: dude I've been wrong and you made basically the exact same post about nom and I don't think you're evil.

In post 4399, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 930, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 926, Nero Cain wrote:what are your thoughts on Titus and why did you never give your thoughts on nom?

I think the thing about Titus active lurking is kinda meh and I don't like the pre-flip associatives otherwise. I likewise just don't feel strongly on the nom stuff. Nom's posting feels good enough to me on a tonal read

Yep, definitely Scum Read there.

This is literally an echo of my past selves thoughts but updated to my reeval on Titus+active lurking. What did I misremember?

Around those posts you were voting for Dunnstral.

There’s no world where I would ever feel you should be out of the POE. Titus also said I had bad reads early. They were Scum. Not a bulletproof defense that one.

But you stating that I am being extremely stupid is fucking annoying. If you can’t empathize with why someone could be suspicious of your slot based on what’s happened this game, then I feel you’re more likely to be Scum than not.

How is Titus saying you have bad reads relevant?

But like, for evidence that I'm allowed to be wrong: my last game with Koba I tunneled town all day one, had one scum in null-scumish territory, and I believe was townreading both the other ones.

Pedit: I'm saying you're being stupid because I think you're being oblivious to something that happened on day 2 and that's why I'm getting so frustrated. I don't mean to make this personal which is why I keep saying you're being rather than you are.

Look I don’t have any certainty as to who the last Scum is. What I do know is that you getting all annoyed about being suspected is ridiculous.

I think it's pretty normal to be annoyed about it but that's just me. Especially when I think you're oblivious to something.

In post 4412, Dwlee99 wrote:How is Titus saying you have bad reads relevant?

They were talking about their own reads, not mine. Sorry that wasn’t clear.

In post 4414, Dwlee99 wrote:I think it's pretty normal to be annoyed about it but that's just me. Especially when I think you're oblivious to something.

No you think you should be getting massive town cred about something that just isn’t as meaningful as you’re making it out to be. Hard defending a Town slot is done by reasonably good Scum all the time. Kyouko has consistently defended me. Chaos is defending me. We’re not all Scum now are we?

Oh yea. In my defense wrt that, Titus' reads were 1.) Much worse and 2.) I called them out on it

Pedit: can you reread me+you joint ISO around time of Anya thing happening?

I’m defending Chaos. I defended petapan. I clearly expressed reservations about executing Anya, and did not end up there. And bashed the early case against them. You still think I could be Scum. Maybe stop being a hypocrite, and then I’ll accept that this frustration is genuine.

Dude could is on such a different plane than probable. Am I talking about killing you today? No.

Like, if I reach M/ELO I'm going to do a complete reeval. Is it more likely I would keep thinking you're town? Yes, but there is no hard clear on you.

In post 4417, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh yea. In my defense wrt that, Titus' reads were 1.) Much worse and 2.) I called them out on it

Actions speak way louder than words. That’s what I’m trying to get across to you. Making “valid” cases but then voting for Town or ultimately trying to deflect away from Titus with that “hammer” that wasn’t a hammer are bad looks for you. You defended Anya and seemed to really believe their Claim - why would you not defend there the second time around?

In post 4419, Dwlee99 wrote:Dude could is on such a different plane than probable. Am I talking about killing you today? No.

To win if you’re Scum, you need three mis-executions. You clearly want Chaos into Gamma. Leaving me as an “option” is a must for you.

In post 4420, Dwlee99 wrote:Like, if I reach M/ELO I'm going to do a complete reeval. Is it more likely I would keep thinking you're town? Yes, but there is no hard clear on you.

There’s no hard clear on you either but you seem to think you should be out of the POE and don’t want to get investigated. That’s nonsense.

I understand that unvoting scum will look bad. This game is about intent though. Like I said to Chaos earlier, if I'm scum bussing Osuka day 2, I don't see why I would unvote out of frustration like that. I would have powered through it because 1.) I'd know what the flip will be and 2.) I know it generally looks better to hard push your buddy than be wishy washy on it.

My opinion on Anya changed almost entirely because 1.) Scum announcing voyeur was possible and 2.) When Gamma claimed PT it was mentioned that fake claiming neighbor looks extremely bad when scum could have been informed of its existence.