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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:26 am
by Something_Smart
In post 4398, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:And once you identify one correct TvT pairing, scum have no win condition left if there's only one left
If there's no S/S pairing they have no wincon no matter how many scum are left though.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:26 am
by Datisi
In post 4396, Alyssa The Lamb wrote: In post 4390, Datisi wrote:
you voted harley/shiro and then you voted marct/norwee and stayed there until the flip
so you can tell me how you pushing harley/shiro is relevant right now or how it ties in to you now wanting andante dead
I explicitly said I wanted those two pairings gone immediately
okay
but i still don't understand how that relates to you pushing andante here???
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:28 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 4386, Save The Dragons wrote: In post 4264, Harley Quinn wrote:This is a real vote. I just wanted to give STD a wake up call. Not that I’m certain he can’t be scum but no town should have bothbof us in their PoE. That’s more often > rand, scum positioning for a miselim.
i explicitly didn't have both of you in POE
That’s why my vote is on gl, not you. This gives me flashbacks to tm 2020, where Math who has no clue how to read me, kept pressuring Titus to vote me until she eventually caved to the pressure. Not saying that’s necessarily happening but it’s hard not to see it that way. I’m thinking that despite you being dead wrong on me, it would probably make way morz sense for scum!you to suss on Shiro hers > me because that would make it a helluva a lot easier to get us miselimed.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:29 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
Actually yeah, you're right
It's technically a guaranteed win, but your odds still go way up the more guaranteed TvT pairings there are
That's kinda why I like info flips way more than reads flips
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:32 am
by RH9
In post 4297, GuiltyLion wrote:when? be specific and reference any posts in your ISO where you suggested at this, even vaguely
also, RH9, has Alyssa said anything indicating suspicion of me in your PT?
Not really. I'm asking Alyssa if I can tell them something which she asked me not to share yet.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:36 am
by Harley Quinn
I’d be more open to an SvS pairing had Marci/Norwee not flipped S - T. Double scum pairings are frought with risk unless you have no other options. Ftr, Me and Ydrasse didn’t want to be in a PT with town!sans in DW III but it just worked out that way, so while it’s possible it’s extremely risky. How many lover-based dances has that even happened in? And Squid game really shouldn’t count in that.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:36 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
Dw guys I'm coaching him on what to say here
Just to get it out there since I guarantee that will be mentioned by somebody regardless
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:44 am
by Harley Quinn
I’m not liking gl sayinf that one of Alyssa/RH9, me/Shiro is double scum. My working theory is that if gl is scum doing this and if Alyssa/RH9 flip T - T, then he can push me/Shiro as the presumably double scum pairing and breeze his way to a potential scum victory because it’s just easier to not have to individually read our slots. I’m just wondering if it’s in gl’s wheelhouse to try to pull this off as scum. Is his scumgame anywhere near RC league? Only game I saw scum!him he was really obvious scum but that was a while ago when Creature was still had bell levels of transparency.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:44 am
by RH9
In post 4404, RH9 wrote: In post 4297, GuiltyLion wrote:when? be specific and reference any posts in your ISO where you suggested at this, even vaguely
also, RH9, has Alyssa said anything indicating suspicion of me in your PT?
Not really. I'm asking Alyssa if I can tell them something which she asked me not to share yet.
I asked. She thinks that GL is playing like 'rubbish' or is scum. Datisi, she says, is like fed up Town.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:45 am
by GuiltyLion
In post 4377, Harley Quinn wrote:How tf am I supposed to tr this? I almost want to view this as tstbs because you have them as double scum and I just think that’s whack.
Is RH9 townie to you?
If no, why is Alyssa defending him and townreading him so much?
As for the tsbts comment, I am town and you feel it in your bones. Search your heart, you know it to be true.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:45 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
What
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:46 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
I meant the other thing
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:46 am
by GuiltyLion
I eliminated scum with my vote right alongside hers, how is that rubbish.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:46 am
by RH9
I tried to paraphrase.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:47 am
by Something_Smart
Why are we playing PT telephone
Just post your takes in the goddamn thread, it isn't hard
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:47 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 4408, RH9 wrote: In post 4404, RH9 wrote: In post 4297, GuiltyLion wrote:when? be specific and reference any posts in your ISO where you suggested at this, even vaguely
also, RH9, has Alyssa said anything indicating suspicion of me in your PT?
Not really. I'm asking Alyssa if I can tell them something which she asked me not to share yet.
I asked. She thinks that GL is playing like 'rubbish' or is scum. Datisi, she says, is like fed up Town.
That’s kind’ve my take on it too. I think if scum is in that pair it’s gl and his readslist is as scummy af. He not only has me and Shiro together but he has Alyssa right after us.
I have not liked him and LLD hard sr him.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:47 am
by GuiltyLion
PT telephone is good to flush out any S/S pairs
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:48 am
by Datisi
s_s, the game obviously isn't confusing enough
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:48 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 839, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:The truth is GL is opportunistically looking for anything they can push me on to rebut my push and discredit this.
My thoughts are that they are either aiming for this to look like a TvT to others (if scum) or are actively incapable of accepting others can scumread their play via arrogance, and are death tunneled in OMGUS (if town).
Their "you can't even read me" first reaction has some of those elements but again, if I was in GL's shoes I would respond exactly how they are to try and worm from it.
But as I have said before, losing confidence and backing off from reads like this usually loses me games so I am pretty willing to let this ride.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:49 am
by RH9
I chose the wrong synonym for the word.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:50 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
In post 4408, RH9 wrote: In post 4404, RH9 wrote: In post 4297, GuiltyLion wrote:when? be specific and reference any posts in your ISO where you suggested at this, even vaguely
also, RH9, has Alyssa said anything indicating suspicion of me in your PT?
Not really. I'm asking Alyssa if I can tell them something which she asked me not to share yet.
I asked. She thinks that GL is playing like 'rubbish' or is scum. Datisi, she says, is like fed up Town.
That post didn't exist when datisi asked you
He wants the other one
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:50 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
You know what
Should i just post the entire pt
Frankly I don't care anymore since my gambit is already ruined
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:51 am
by RH9
In post 4421, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:You know what
Should i just post the entire pt
Frankly I don't care anymore since my gambit is already ruined
Just paraphrase the other post.
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:51 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 838, GuiltyLion wrote:I mean if you're scum!LLD and town!marci proposes to you, do you want to accept that pairing? Marci is pretty high on the "likely to be limmed" list and LLD is scum I would think has good odds of going deep
I also don't really know what LLD's read on marci is. if town!LLD townreads marci, why not pair with marci? if town!LLD scumreads marci, why not pair with marci and volunteer to be limmed/leave? that's what I would do
also, I just don't feel like it's all that likely that both are town given the number of my other townreads and my sense of the gamestate at the moment. if they are then I'm definitely suckered somewhere, but again, don't see why town!LLD can't accept a marci proposal and it's not like she's expressed a strong interest in any other people that she particularly wants to pair with
Why did you want LLD and Marci to pair?
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:53 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 3091, marcistar wrote: In post 3000, Taly wrote:Everybody, rank each pair (except mine - calling IC privilege) on how likely you believe scum resides in them.
town
Datisi & GuiltyLion
Save the Dragons & Titus
(my pair here? maybe?)
RH9 & Alyssa the Lamb = Galron & Something_Smart
Shiro & Harley Quinn
Firebringer & Andante
scum
In post 3002, Taly wrote: In post 2999, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Taly i feel you should recognize that this is my towngame.
You have the power to stop this awful wagon on me/Marci if you just say it.
I also feel Marci is more likely town from our PT so i’m firmly in the belief that our lim would be -Wincon for town.
It's not you I'm worried about darling
ur worried abt me?
Hmmm, thoughts on marci readslist?