In post 4143, Tohru wrote:This discussion has long stopped being about finding scum and game solving but instead extrapersonal and hot tempers.
If you are lost and do not feel that you are in the mood to think, if you are exhausted, or if you are fatigued from the game, please vote Succinct with me and end this.
screw it, this game is toxic, I don't even care anymore, VOTE: succinct to get out of this game
In post 4267, Chara wrote:i'm sorry for upsetting you. i didn't realize that what i was saying was hurtful, but i did definitely post while heated and that isn't a good idea. my issues were entirely related to how skitter would not have joined this game (and i don't think she should have) if she had been PMed to /out for her peace of mind and yours. but that is out of game and an opinion and i brought it up at an inappropriate time.
i also may have misunderstood the rules regarding alts and blacklists. i took what i knew from a rules clarification post made by zoraster about it where he mentioned player blacklists and mod blacklists together.
i didn't mean to insult nor bully anyone.
pedit: i'm confident in all of my townreads besides tris, i think. so Elbirn/tris/Succinct/NMSA are the only players i would consider lynching.
i think out of them i like Elbirn as a vote the most.
VOTE: Elbirn
So I uh....I *really* dont like the hop onto me, especially after they just got done saying succinct was one of their preferred lynches and with succinct being at L-1 by my count at this point
...But does scumchara leave their buddy even at L-2 for the night and risks the lynch, it even took them a few hours to take succinct off L-1. Look at the times as well.
Maybe I'm barking mad
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:23 pm
by skitter30
again, so the fact that nobody has a strong townread on succinct except for maybe like nimueh makes it extremely puzzling why this wagon has been stalling at 4 votes for like half a week when someone is literally going around soliciting votes for it
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:25 pm
by skitter30
skipping past the multiple pages of nimueh posts that i'm not reading, fi there's something important in there lmk
If this is wrong, and Succinct is scum, Reck is the only partner that makes sense to me. If this is wrong, and Succinct is not scum, then I think Chara could be scum? I'll consider that more if I need to tomorrow. Hopefully there will be no tomorrow.
I just think Elbirn is the scummier of the two. Where is Succinct though?
elbirn's still town, can we please please please not do this
In post 4236, NotMySpamAccount wrote:screw it, this game is toxic, I don't even care anymore, VOTE: succinct to get out of this game
This is literally a scumclaim.
Who gets out of the game on a town lynch?
i'd bet the game on tohru *not* being rc
the second bit is semantics and not actually meaningful
and yeah i noticed that for nmsa but it made me think that he was partnered with you and that he just didn't give a fuck and was voting you anyways to make the game end
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:30 pm
by skitter30
In post 4408, Succinct wrote:Because frustration can come from scum and be no less real.
cuz i felt like it was frustration stemming from the fact that he couldn't understand ank's solve but wanted to but just for the life of him couldn't get it to make sense
In post 4408, Succinct wrote:What resistance.
I went from 0 votes to L-2 literally overnight.
L-1 at some points!
The only true resistance has been Nimueh. Even Reck, second-most-resistant, expressed willingness to hammer me.
You say there's resistance, but evidence suggests the opposite; there's an utter lack of it, which should be a red flag.
the fact that you haven't been at l-1 for longer than like twelve seconds and people keep backing off for no discernable reason; nobody is willing to hammer you for mysterious reasons even though you're in like everyone's poe; the wagon keeps detoriarating after getting a lot of votes; there's cw's popping up (elbirn, now nmsa too)
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:31 pm
by xRECKONERx
In post 4426, skitter30 wrote:again, so the fact that nobody has a strong townread on succinct except for maybe like nimueh makes it extremely puzzling why this wagon has been stalling at 4 votes for like half a week when someone is literally going around soliciting votes for it
i mean i literally made a whole post a while back about why i was taking succinct off the table after i did an iso dive
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:32 pm
by skitter30
oh yeah also @succinct the elbirn wagon is being pushed by all the *other* people in my poe so like
In post 4426, skitter30 wrote:again, so the fact that nobody has a strong townread on succinct except for maybe like nimueh makes it extremely puzzling why this wagon has been stalling at 4 votes for like half a week when someone is literally going around soliciting votes for it
i mean i literally made a whole post a while back about why i was taking succinct off the table after i did an iso dive
right, i was going ot include you as one of the handful of people townreading her but i forgot to actually like write that
i remembered that you were townreading them but i don't remember this post and i don't remember why, can you just quote it for me? or tell me the post number?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:34 pm
by skitter30
either way two people townreading her (you and like nimueh) in a game with 11 players shouldn't lead to a wagon stalling at l-2/l-1 repeatedly if she's town in this setup
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:35 pm
by xRECKONERx
In post 3490, xRECKONERx wrote:Succinct's "meta" read on me is fucking wild and I feel like he's trying to pocket or whiteknight me but I have nothing to go on other than that one post. So naturally, let's go do the ISO and see what pops up.
- Succinct 2165: Puts Flubbernugget on the bottom of his reads list with Brigitte. Not sure if town or risky scum "bussing" without actually "bussing"
- Succinct 2394: Joins Flubber wagon after Brigitte. Townread on xtoxm/chara.
okay actually imma just stop there because im remembering Enter was Succinct previously and that slot is just town. plus the push on flubber. moving on for now. succinct can get a pass. if it was a bus, it was pretty well done and the chances of me being convinced that it was a bus at this time are very low
nevermind. it wasn't as iso-divey as i remembered it being
and truth be told, ive been waffling a bit recently on it
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:36 pm
by skitter30
yeah idk
you were def townreading the slot earlier, you're right tho; i should have included you in the people townreading her; i've also seen that you aren't currently
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:38 pm
by skitter30
also going to point out that if she gets to l-1 and someeone posts without hammering and succinct is town that person is effectively not scum because then they could just hammer and escape overnight i think
if succinct is scum then i think that person who doesn't hammer has fairly high scum equity
i think i'm thinking about this right?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:42 pm
by xRECKONERx
that's a good point actually
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:44 pm
by skitter30
i mean it's possible said person ont hammering didn't hammer town!succinct because they were the designated deep wolf who def wasn't gonig to escape tonight anyways so it isn't like *as foolproof* as lylo but like it's a pretty strong reason to townread someone
i suppose we could like pseudo hammer-test people?
not sure this is a good idea, just kinda spitballing and thinking aloud
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:13 pm
by Elbirn
In post 4439, skitter30 wrote:i mean it's possible said person ont hammering didn't hammer town!succinct because they were the designated deep wolf who def wasn't gonig to escape tonight anyways so it isn't like *as foolproof* as lylo but like it's a pretty strong reason to townread someone
i suppose we could like pseudo hammer-test people?
not sure this is a good idea, just kinda spitballing and thinking aloud
This doesnt work with scum-succinct and if hes town then as soon as he's put at L-1 optimal play would be for the designated escapee to just drop the hammer and bounce out tha game
In post 4439, skitter30 wrote:i mean it's possible said person ont hammering didn't hammer town!succinct because they were the designated deep wolf who def wasn't gonig to escape tonight anyways so it isn't like *as foolproof* as lylo but like it's a pretty strong reason to townread someone
i suppose we could like pseudo hammer-test people?
not sure this is a good idea, just kinda spitballing and thinking aloud
This doesnt work with scum-succinct and if hes town then as soon as he's put at L-1 optimal play would be for the designated escapee to just drop the hammer and bounce out tha game
It's a no from me.
fair enough i was kinda thinking aloud
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:58 pm
by NotMySpamAccount
In post 4427, skitter30 wrote:skipping past the multiple pages of nimueh posts that i'm not reading, fi there's something important in there lmk
nothing inportant besides nim screaming that I'm scum because I wanted this nightmare game to end
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:56 pm
by tris
I'm having a hard time seeing Reck as scum, which I see as necessary for Succinct to be scum. A number of people are disqualified due to their votes. I'm pretty hard townreading nimueh at this point. Maybe it could be Creature, but a lot of people are saying this is his town game.
In post 4404, Elbirn wrote:Theres tons of resistance to succinct wagon (see: the elbirn counterwagon)
The Elbirn wagon predates the Succinct wagon.
Try again.
I dont rightly care which came first. One of us is scum. It isnt me. My wagon is being pushed to save your life. If mine started before yours than all that really means is that your partner probably jumped on later than sooner, so thanks for the tip.
If we were both town scum would have finished one of us off by now, I think we can all agree on that yes?
Not if scum was already on the wagons, which seems most likely to be the case. Succinct was almost hammered. If he’s scum, then why did his “partner” abandon him? because in this setup, scum loses, if not all three escape, so I find it interesting that you assume that this 100%, has to be the case.
In post 1982, Elbirn wrote:Yeah I dont pop into the thread if I dont have time to critically engage and being as I have no knowledge of anything thats going on I dont pop in. I dont know how you think I was online at like 7am when I wasnt, but nonetheless yeah thats a thing that COULD happen.
Are people finna lynch my slot, because
I'd much rather we made scum shoot me.
Can we work on that instead?
How would we make scum shoot you?
(Also the game is nightless currently)
Whoah. . How did I miss this?
He posted this on March 5th. Reads like TMI to me and If scum was going to NK anyone, I highly doubt it would be Elbirn.
so wait
did tris know about it being nightless
currently
instead of perma-nightless and that's a scumslip? or did this come after the reveal
I was suspicious of Elbirn’s “I want scum to shoot me” post, before nsg told us, if we mislynch there would be an NK.
In post 4143, Tohru wrote:This discussion has long stopped being about finding scum and game solving but instead extrapersonal and hot tempers.
If you are lost and do not feel that you are in the mood to think, if you are exhausted, or if you are fatigued from the game, please vote Succinct with me and end this.
screw it, this game is toxic, I don't even care anymore, VOTE: succinct to get out of this game
In post 4238, NotMySpamAccount wrote:This is a terrible game, if someone could just vote succinct rn and get us out of this geadache I would be very ppreciative
this almost feels like a gameo f meta-mafia tryin to figure out if nim is lying about being FA, which would be the best way toconceal her identity if she were FA. idk though, no experience with either of you.
this almost feels like a gameo f meta-mafia tryin to figure out if nim is lying about being FA, which would be the best way toconceal her identity if she were FA. idk though, no experience with either of you.
This line of inquiry is not fruitful, and I'm sorry I suggested who the alt may be, that was out of line. We should all drop this topic.
I honestly don’t have any issues with you at all. I didn’t realize that you thought I was someone you had prior issues with and now that I know it wasn’t me, I’m cool about it.
can you pls vote succinct to end this nightmare? toeuhfehs (not even gonna try to spell it) gave a good enough reason. Mafia is supposed to be fun, and this game has been the opposite. It needs to end, and if scum win, they win.
In post 4143, Tohru wrote:This discussion has long stopped being about finding scum and game solving but instead extrapersonal and hot tempers.
If you are lost and do not feel that you are in the mood to think, if you are exhausted, or if you are fatigued from the game, please vote Succinct with me and end this.
screw it, this game is toxic, I don't even care anymore, VOTE: succinct to get out of this game
In post 4238, NotMySpamAccount wrote:This is a terrible game, if someone could just vote succinct rn and get us out of this geadache I would be very ppreciative
Why did you become like this right after doing a string of posts?
all the toxic bs with nim/chara/elbirn etc. gave me a headache. When I finished my readthrough I decided I didn't care enough to go all out trying to win this trainwreck. I just want succinct dead to bring the end closer, since there's a good enough reason succinct is scum.
I didn't like NMSA's entrance rn. It was something like:
*does a string of posts* AAAH END THIS GAME NOW
You think, we should vote him?
Nah, I want to see what's going on with him.
put your money where your mouth is and vote me cowards. when I flip town I'll be out of this, and tbh I welcome it. in the mean time, vote succinct, and if he flips town you can lynch me for the loss if you really feel like it.
pedit: look at torueh's posts
pedit 2: yes I would have voted anyone remotely scummy
How could I have been so dense not to have jumped on this immediately?
He massively scumslipped in all of these posts, especially the last one.
He is baiting us to lynch him, because like Flubber, he plans on escaping tonight.
This is 100% flipping scum. Bank on it. If you don’t lynch this, he will escape tonight. Tris is probably his partner for hard defending him.
quick note:
you spamposting a bunch of quotes doesnt actually do anything for me
Sorry, when I think I’ve caught scum, I tend to be a bit over enthusiastic.
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:06 pm
by Nimueh
In post 4426, skitter30 wrote:again, so the fact that nobody has a strong townread on succinct except for maybe like nimueh makes it extremely puzzling why this wagon has been stalling at 4 votes for like half a week when someone is literally going around soliciting votes for it
In post 4427, skitter30 wrote:skipping past the multiple pages of nimueh posts that i'm not reading, fi there's something important in there lmk
Why are people ignoring Creature’s posts?
Yes, NMSA is going to escape tonight because, his blatant scumclaim about how ending the game is necessary, even if scum win. When that happens, I told you so.
If this is wrong, and Succinct is scum, Reck is the only partner that makes sense to me. If this is wrong, and Succinct is not scum, then I think Chara could be scum? I'll consider that more if I need to tomorrow. Hopefully there will be no tomorrow.
I just think Elbirn is the scummier of the two. Where is Succinct though?
elbirn's still town, can we please please please not do this
. How did I miss this? 
