In post 4083, Bell wrote:I'm done AtEing, I'm just out of stamina. I'm lying of course. But there's a limit even for town me.
Was being done with AtE a lie?
Was being out of stamina a lie?
Was saying there's a limit for your town self a lie?
Because, well.
You're still making excuses for not scumhunting.
Still not making a promised readslist.
Still spending time defending yourself instead of scumhunting.
In post 4096, Bell wrote:He won't even let me solve because his head is stuck so far up his ass that he can't even read a full paragraph all the way through before linking it.
This is yet another excuse to not solve and instead spend time doing nothing.
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:39 pm
by Solstice
[If Bell is done "solving", there's no reason for me to continue waiting. so I think he's finally letting go.]
[Bell (5): Ircher, pichu, Ydrasse, mastina, Dr Easy Bake]
VOTE: Bell
[For real this time -- that's X-2 by my count. I didn't want to let it end immediately in case Pooky *really* opposes but i don't think we can go wrong here with Bell saying he's done.]
Hi Morning, I don't think we've played a real game together other than the marathon but I'm looking forward to it! Is the [] bracket thing something I should understand?
In post 602, Ircher wrote:Murder, did you draw scum? What makes you think this is obviously town!Noraa? Why does townreading Noraa rn equate to being town?
I think there is a perception that Noraa is a strong scum player, but I don't think scum Noraa would do well in this setup. I don't think Flavor took such an obvious pick, especially considering Noraa tends to not do well under pressure. Noraa is also lim bait despite her claims, and this is a pretty strong plist so there's not a lot of easy miselims, another reason FL wouldn't pick there. Also I think mastina is scummy for 25 and I expect scum to use Noraa as a place to park votes on D1. It is possible that Bell scum is being specifically coached to pocket Noraa, but I would think that scum would be a bit more subtle about it. There's also other reasons to TR Bell, like he doesn't really like playing scum.
In post 611, Double the Trouble wrote:Is it possible to express an dislike on your own wagon without sounding defensive? I think it’s just obvious that me and Alisae are the type of players that start off hard to read but eventually become super obvtown or super obvscum the longer we are in the game. So Pichu and Noraa, if town. Should really consider this. Tbh Pichu always tunnels me D1 as far as i know so i don’t find their push scum indicative. But Noraa is kinda fluffy and annoying so i’d rather they calm down and just give some calm reads and stop this dumb tunneling.
In post 810, mastina wrote:For instance, these posts look terrible since they're explicitly OMGUS+reverse-OMGUS (townreading a player townreading your slot + scumreading players scumreading your slot), and it no longer flows as well.
I could see the plausible callout of Ircher/MURDERCAT/Double.
The transition I cannot see.
I thought you have played with Noraa before?
In post 1247, MURDERCAT wrote:So I am here and caught up. There is a ton of noise still. I'm gunna like, not really share my reads? I kind of feel like Pooky should be leading more?
If any of you want anything from me let me know.
In post 1461, MURDERCAT wrote:Noraa SRing Ircher because Ircher said she is a strong town player is 10/10
And honestly I'm here for it because I think that was a weak buddy attempt.
Noraa you might actually be on this game.
In post 1464, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm not sure what makes people BoP me
I am playing my town game which is to mostly do nothing as long as the game is moving forward or until I think I have enough info to solve.
In post 1466, MURDERCAT wrote:Actually I agree with Ali, I think you have to lead as scum.
I am more likely to hang back as town unless people make me do stuff or the game is dead or I actually have a solve.
In post 1468, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm not sure about any of your other scum reads but I could see Dunn/Ircher.
Quoted some of Murder's posts this game. I think I needa do some meta diving. The vibe is really off. like really off.
-nornor
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:47 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 4426, Solstice wrote:[If Bell is done "solving", there's no reason for me to continue waiting. so I think he's finally letting go.]
[Bell (5): Ircher, pichu, Ydrasse, mastina, Dr Easy Bake]
VOTE: Bell
[For real this time -- that's X-2 by my count. I didn't want to let it end immediately in case Pooky *really* opposes but i don't think we can go wrong here with Bell saying he's done.]
~Morning
cool beans! VOTE: Bell
-nornor
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:48 pm
by Ircher
In post 4293, mastina wrote:who even after being 'free' to scumhunt is producing lackluster scumhunting,
I think this is a key thing a lot of people are either missing or ignoring. Bell keeps promising to give reads of some sort, yet all Bell has done is use AtE and quote towers of posts without analyzing them at all. Bell has been doing that for the last several days, so I'm inclined to believe it's not just that he hasn't gotten enough time. What's more worrying is it seems Bell is discarding whatever reads they had to begin with before running up. I don't understand why Bell as town can't give reads of any kind at the time being.
I think DEB is scum here. The pieces fit a lot better.
I'll explain in a bit.
I will look at your explanation before I judge too quickly here.
In post 4305, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Bell played it super soft. so Flava Flav thought he was a mason, so he sent his mafia rolecop over to check Bell. Found out he was actually a detective.
Your first assumption here is that scum have a role cop. It's not impossible; in fact, it has a pretty good chance of being the case, but it is an assumption nonetheless.
Your second assumption here is that scum thought Bell was a mason and targeted Bell with said role cop. Again, it's perfectly plausible, but it's important we make these assumptions clear.
In post 4305, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Flava Flav sends DEB to crumb detective ahead of Bell claiming detective in order to set up the CC.
Eh, I think this is kinda a stretch actually. It's possible I guess, but with regards to DEB not crumbing earlier, I can buy DEB not crumbing D1 simply because DEB decided they weren't going to do anything productive that day.
In post 4305, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:DEB is the probly the LHF of the Scum-Team so it makes sense for Flava Flav to send him to do the CC.
/IF/ DEB is scum, I totally agree with this.
In post 4305, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Look at the timing and wording of the crumb. It doesn't even look like DEB wrote the crumb if you compare it to the rest of his ISO.
It probably help if you quoted the crumbs. I haven't looked at the surrounding context too carefully. I already remarked above why I don't think it's unreasomable town!DEB starts crumbing D2 rather than D1.
In post 4305, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:We elim DEB today, if DEB flips red vig kills ???
if DEB flips green, vig kills Bell?
Honestly, if Bell was more of a borderline read here or even a less confident scum read, I'd agree with this. But I think the odds are so in favor of scum!Bell here that I would rather lim Bell and be willing to vig DEB if I am wrong. From my pov, DEB looks pretty townie compared to Bell. DEB isn't using the AtE card, isn't making up excuses to avoid giving reads despite being requested so many times, and isn't posting several posts filled with nothing of substance. I think you are being drawn in by the AtE a bit too much here.
In post 4125, Bell wrote:Noraa, when you're town. Can you even focus when people are calling you scum all the time.
How many of us actually can.
*raises hand*
I can, and do.
When I am pressured by people calling me scum, I'll scumhunt less, that's true enough.
I don't stop scumhunting altogether.
I don't go from scumhunting into exclusively defending myself without any reads or reasons for them.
I continue to give reads and reasons, albeit less than I would be if I wasn't giving attention to my defense.
The reads don't stop; they slow down.
So yes.
I am, inherently.
Skeptical of claims that reads stop altogether when you're being pressured.
Reads reduced? I can believe.
Reads absent altogether? A much tougher sell.
In post 4125, Bell wrote:This is by the way after I've been totally drained and exhausted the last 3 or 4 days. I basically realized I had no gas left in my tank when I realized I forgot my phone when I went to the first aid place and called my grandma by accident on the owners' phone instead of my Dad lol. I hadn't eaten breakfast. then spent 4 hours going there. and who knows how long I was stressing over this game.
For someone being so out of gas you sure seem to be spending a lot of time posting here and using that time to defend yourself rather than either not posting to recover or using those presumed fumes to scumhunt.
Hi Morning, I don't think we've played a real game together other than the marathon but I'm looking forward to it! Is the [] bracket thing something I should understand?
In post 602, Ircher wrote:Murder, did you draw scum? What makes you think this is obviously town!Noraa? Why does townreading Noraa rn equate to being town?
I think there is a perception that Noraa is a strong scum player, but I don't think scum Noraa would do well in this setup. I don't think Flavor took such an obvious pick, especially considering Noraa tends to not do well under pressure. Noraa is also lim bait despite her claims, and this is a pretty strong plist so there's not a lot of easy miselims, another reason FL wouldn't pick there. Also I think mastina is scummy for 25 and I expect scum to use Noraa as a place to park votes on D1. It is possible that Bell scum is being specifically coached to pocket Noraa, but I would think that scum would be a bit more subtle about it. There's also other reasons to TR Bell, like he doesn't really like playing scum.
In post 611, Double the Trouble wrote:Is it possible to express an dislike on your own wagon without sounding defensive? I think it’s just obvious that me and Alisae are the type of players that start off hard to read but eventually become super obvtown or super obvscum the longer we are in the game. So Pichu and Noraa, if town. Should really consider this. Tbh Pichu always tunnels me D1 as far as i know so i don’t find their push scum indicative. But Noraa is kinda fluffy and annoying so i’d rather they calm down and just give some calm reads and stop this dumb tunneling.
In post 810, mastina wrote:For instance, these posts look terrible since they're explicitly OMGUS+reverse-OMGUS (townreading a player townreading your slot + scumreading players scumreading your slot), and it no longer flows as well.
I could see the plausible callout of Ircher/MURDERCAT/Double.
The transition I cannot see.
I thought you have played with Noraa before?
In post 1247, MURDERCAT wrote:So I am here and caught up. There is a ton of noise still. I'm gunna like, not really share my reads? I kind of feel like Pooky should be leading more?
If any of you want anything from me let me know.
In post 1461, MURDERCAT wrote:Noraa SRing Ircher because Ircher said she is a strong town player is 10/10
And honestly I'm here for it because I think that was a weak buddy attempt.
Noraa you might actually be on this game.
In post 1464, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm not sure what makes people BoP me
I am playing my town game which is to mostly do nothing as long as the game is moving forward or until I think I have enough info to solve.
In post 1466, MURDERCAT wrote:Actually I agree with Ali, I think you have to lead as scum.
I am more likely to hang back as town unless people make me do stuff or the game is dead or I actually have a solve.
In post 1468, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm not sure about any of your other scum reads but I could see Dunn/Ircher.
Quoted some of Murder's posts this game. I think I needa do some meta diving. The vibe is really off. like really off.
-nornor
[It's like you're trolling Murder at this point -- the quotes with no further explanation other than "scummy" -- oh my god that is funny]
~Morning
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:50 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 4433, Solstice wrote:[It's like you're trolling Murder at this point -- the quotes with no further explanation other than "scummy" -- oh my god that is funny]
~Morning
Yeah ... I said I was gonna meta dive. That means after the meta dive, I'm gonna have a wall case....
why are you shading me here?
-nornor
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:52 pm
by Solstice
[One of Murder's reasons for scumreading you is that in Death Curse you would quote a bunch of stuff he says then put "Scummy" underneath it]
[im sorry, you still doing it even after we talk about it repeatedly is just really funny to me for some reason]
~Morning
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:54 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 4435, Solstice wrote:[One of Murder's reasons for scumreading you is that in Death Curse you would quote a bunch of stuff he says then put "Scummy" underneath it]
[im sorry, you still doing it even after we talk about it repeatedly is just really funny to me for some reason]
~Morning
that's not even a scum tell of mine.
-nornor
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:55 pm
by Solstice
[I don't think you're scum no but it's like you're doing everything in your power to make Murder scumread you. that's what i mean]
~Morning
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:00 pm
by Polar Bear Express
He's pissing me off with his dumb tunneling but I've blown up in far too many games recently and am gonna try my best not to here.
I'm taking a break from ms after team mafia ends for that exact reason.
[And even then that doesn't justify voting for Murder before the player you think is confirmed scum]
~Morning
Do you see why I SR this now?
[Noraa can live in alternate universes as town too. Especially when we're talking OMGUS.]
[But yes, I understand -- her responses to you have been pretty consistent with this]
[Bell has more votes than i thought hold on]
UNVOTE:
~Morning
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:00 pm
by pichu
Noraa!
Gloria's gone
now's the perfect time to move back on Bell
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:00 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 4426, Solstice wrote:[If Bell is done "solving", there's no reason for me to continue waiting. so I think he's finally letting go.]
[Bell (5): Ircher, pichu, Ydrasse, mastina, Dr Easy Bake]
VOTE: Bell
[For real this time -- that's X-2 by my count. I didn't want to let it end immediately in case Pooky *really* opposes but i don't think we can go wrong here with Bell saying he's done.]
In post 4426, Solstice wrote:[If Bell is done "solving", there's no reason for me to continue waiting. so I think he's finally letting go.]
[Bell (5): Ircher, pichu, Ydrasse, mastina, Dr Easy Bake]
VOTE: Bell
[For real this time -- that's X-2 by my count. I didn't want to let it end immediately in case Pooky *really* opposes but i don't think we can go wrong here with Bell saying he's done.]
~Morning
cool beans! VOTE: Bell
-nornor
Pichu .... *gets u some glasses*
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:01 pm
by pichu
I'M SO HAPPY!!!!
join us to make me ELATED
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:01 pm
by pichu
omg you two are the best
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:02 pm
by pichu
Double trouble are you here?
i have a question for you
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:03 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 4445, pichu wrote:Double trouble are you here?
i have a question for you
they tried to call the polar bear extinguishing team
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:03 pm
by Double the Trouble
In post 4445, pichu wrote:Double trouble are you here?
i have a question for you
ya
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:03 pm
by pichu
HAMMER BEFORE THE DAY GETS DERAILED
WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS CHANCE AGAIN
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