I think this is the most relevant VC from d1
osuka / joyed or math team makes sense with osuka bussing and math on town!Taylor wagon
bob on math vote kinda interesting
osuka constantly tunnel visioning me while nullbinning the whole entire plist and fitting his reads into a scum!me world does not come from a town motive. town needs to sort everyone
bob on osuka with town!math
with the solve being plus/osuka/kerset
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:17 am
by Datisi
Vote count 4.02
with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2020-10-08 23:50:00).
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:18 am
by Datisi
Prodding Menalque.
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:18 am
by Andresvmb
In post 4449, shellyc wrote:osuka is just nonsensically trying to last-ditch avoid a miselim
what is possible town motivation to spit out nonsense reads
Andres is a claimed checker
Yes this is my point. At this stage, I don’t see an alternative than figuring out what’s going on with Osuka.
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:25 am
by Menalque
back, catching up
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:26 am
by Menalque
incidentally yesterday was disgusting until around the mid afternoon
You’ve already talked about Shelly, explain the Andres take?
Why are you entertaining this exactly?
me wanting him to explain =/= me entertaining it
I'm not 100% on osuka scum rn -- if he is, then getting him to explain it prob makes him scummier because it'll be contrived logic; if he's not then there's no harm to getting his logic out there
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:28 am
by shellyc
welcome back menal
what’s your read on math?
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:30 am
by Menalque
gimme a sec I'm checking something about plus
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:37 am
by Menalque
In post 4432, PlusJOYED wrote:for math, putting pressure on your partner so you aren't null on each other and it coupd make sense for town!shelly to do so you could use that as a defense.
You didn't really need to worry end of day 3 since freaking bob is running around with a "hang me im scum" sign on his back;
it probably wouldn't pick up so pressuring ndmath is safe
In post 4198, shellyc wrote:joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse
here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka
mine is probably
andres
mena
joyed
Shelly
ydrasse
osuka
math
bob
like all these thought gaps and non logical trajectories, look super duper bad.
i did before now im unsure, my solve shit has been messed up since all my reads have been wrong (iv, teacher, kerset, even suade a lil)
while I have no scumgames here shelly, i think you underestimate my scumgame and don't realize how fucking awful i am as town
In post 4178, shellyc wrote:ok then tell me
1) read on bob
2) read on ydrasse
with explanations attached
bob is probably scum, he's been playing kind of weird this game and I now realize that it makes the most sense for scum!bob to pocket me here so he doesn't die
ydrasse was really sus earlier and today I think has been sus. I'm pretty much null on ydrasse, leaning sort of scum
i've come around to a town!osuka possibility
this is what's bothering me rn plus: you talk about how bob was incredibly obvscum and like begging to be guillo'd yesterday but yesterday you were like leaning scum there but not as certain about that/in your reads, which made sense to me
but now that bob has flipped town he was like super obvscummy which absolves you of blame. like don't get me wrong I fucked up there too but it feels a lot like you're trying to shift the narrative here around your progression here
and the OTHER thing is that yesterday it was bob -> shelly/math -> osuka -> Ydrasse
but now it's shelly -> ydrasse -> math/osuka (idk what order you'd put the last two in)
like you mentioned yesterday, you've been scumleaning math throughout the game, but at each stage you've avoided putting meaningful pressure on him or voting for him, including shifting your reads to make sure he's towards the scummy end but never quite the person you wanna vote for on any given day. what changed to make shelly your strong scum read today instead of tossing it up between shelly/math (what was implied by your reads yesterday) and to move osuka and Ydrasse down
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:40 am
by Menalque
I also intensely dislike that math's main contribution today has been a relatively lengthy thing on how he doesn't make sense as plus despite being under literally no pressure whatsoever
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:41 am
by Menalque
hnnnng ydrasse at EoD yesterday you were talking about why plus fake claiming wasn't really town indicative at all, can you remind me about the logic there or go into some more depth
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:42 am
by shellyc
plus joy’s trajectories make zero sense I think they are so horrifically bad they might even come from town.
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:43 am
by Menalque
I'm still fairly sure all the remaining scum are in (plus, math, osuka) but I think it's particularly important to try to get it right /today/ because that takes some of the pressure off and generally 3p is easier to win in than 5p if we do end up getting there and not winning with back-to-back scum guillos
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:43 am
by shellyc
math/plus is viable but I wanna flip osuka to clear up things and that slot is very high chance of flipping red anyways
ydrasse come back I want your reads
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:44 am
by shellyc
menal when did you start town reading ydrasse
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:44 am
by Menalque
In post 4466, shellyc wrote:plus joy’s trajectories make zero sense I think they are so horrifically bad they might even come from town.
I don't think having bad trajectories is necessarily AI outside the context of what it would be trying to achieve
what specifically worries me about plus' trajectories is that it's allowed him to scum lean a lurker slot all game while avoiding ever actually pressing for a flip there which is very much a strategic position imo