I went back and crossed CF's earlier reasoning for thinking PV is town with PV's iso and I can see why CF is townreading the slot (particularly not being useless, trying to be useful in a game filled with noise, following up with the questions he asks, and trying to sort out his reads that have clearly gone against the grain). Although it does seem weird for a player to take a hard analytical look at a slot like PV's like this, this is exactly something I'd expect from Falcon after the micro I played with him (where he was arguably hard townreading the two lynchbait that game). It does strike some interest for both of them to be townreading each other early on (especially if one of them is scum), but it's highly likely that they're just both townreading each other (and this is what I'm leaning towards right now). I also really liked PV's interactions with Beliffery on page 165. It's like he completely disagrees with Ffery's current approach and wants her to be more productive in chasing down scumreads (and it's a sentiment I share with him). I also liked him expressing his concerns about the Xillia neighborhood not progressing as he'd hoped and dropping them both out of his townreads.
@PV: What are your thoughts about the people in the first neighborhood? I remember you asking who was in it but I don't remember what your reads looked like (other than CF probably being town).
*Apparently Nacho replaced his hydra slot. I'm not letting Notty replace out. I'm dragging him to the end with me. I also need to go back and look at Bork's posting because I don't remember anything that leaped out as being super obvtown to me.
In post 4132, Breakfast With Sandy wrote: In post 4131, MastinSSK wrote:1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
4 orcinus_theoriginal
8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
15 PeregrineV
*grumble, grumble*
The name of the six change, that I have six does not. Realized that I eliminated Red Gyarados a bit hastily. I have reasons for thinking they're town and reasons for thinking they might be scum, thus their presence. Still trying to figure it out, but that might be a bit more spam than needed, 'specially since working on the Ballad of Tales will help with this and people responding to things I've said can probably already help on that front.
I might be getting distracted by the shiney in eliminating Fox/Hound here and having my vote on Nacho (and if so, zMuff/Nati, I do apologize), but this is something that I need to pursue right here and now to figure out. It can't wait.
If you're town then two of those reads are absolutely bad. Two others are iffy.
I'm assuming the absolutely bad one is yours (Orci is either bad/iffy). Which two are the ones you agree with? I'm assuming one is Kagura but what's the other one? AP?
In post 4134, MastinSSK wrote:...Which you might think is casting suspicion onto you. And vaguely it is, but I'm also not discarding the possibility of Red Gyarados being scum, for a very specific ~reason~ that I'm really not sure if I should elaborate on or not.
Elaborate. I want to know. Especially since it's a very specific reason.
In post 4138, MastinSSK wrote:A scum-you? Is full of misreps and snark. Starts out strongly and slowly lets the cracks show.
Where has he misrepped anyone?
In post 4140, Titan wrote:I'm actually pretty weirded out over the concern about my neighborhood though the other neighborhood is of no concern, especially since "we were town reads" supposedly. If pere is scum there is more than op likely scum in that neighborhood.
He actually expressed concern over the first neighborhood first, trying to verify who was in it, etc. He really hasn't pushed them further than that though, but JSU and CF have been fairly active outside of the neighborhood for a while now.
In post 4145, Titan wrote:I think he did town slip though. We don't have a quick topic for our neighborhood, but the answer he have me about Clyton thinking that we had a lurker was for a quick topic. On the assumption that cabd is using ms private topics for everything, pere giving me that answer thinking I was in a quick topic means it's likely he's not in one because then he would have known that you can't just look at unique views and why I didn't understand why he thought there was a lurker. So, if a member of the scum team could verify if you have a quick topic that would be very helpful thanks!
I don't know what any of this means, especially with regards to PV's alignment.
CF kind of clears it up later and I've already used the private topics. It's just meh. I'll think on it but it doesn't really affect my read on PV in any way.
In post 4148, MastinSSK wrote:Uhg.
This is a really stupid, impulsive thing to do. Massively anti-town. But I keep on thinking things through, and I see AP/PV/Nacho as viable, but not so sure about it being Stalin or orc. And the best idea I'd have for a fourth given that would be Red Gyarados. Yet the only way I can properly explain that is by explaining exactly what I feel about them, why I think that they're quite possibly scum, in a lolCabd game. Guh. I've gone this far with it, so fuck it, I'm going to explain it, anti-townness be damned, because it shows where I've been coming from on them.
Red Gyarados 'crumbed vig D1. I actually didn't catch it--Rancid did. They warned Rancid not to gladiate DesBRO, and that an attempt to would never go through. Vig being a guess for their role is basically one of the only reasons I'm considering that Rancid could have been vigged. But I also think about their role, and that, well...they might have had a dayshot, perhaps multiple, because SOMEHOW, they knew my claim before I had made it. Brian Skies (I think) said I was a "mafia treestump" WELL before I had claimed. My vote being disabled was known; that I was bulletproof was not. So I put two and two together, of them being a vig who shot me during the day, and could shoot Rancid during the night.
Should be a townclaim, of course. But I keep on looking at the kills N1, and I keep on thinking again and again that they both look like scum. And a scum vig? (Especially limited shots.) Is exactly the kind of thing I can see Cabd putting into the game, because people aren't going to think scum can control two kills during the night. That's why they've been going in and out of my scum list a lot. Because I've been thinking about what they likely have done and did last night, and also thinking about the targets last night and what they flipped and why they were like that. Because if Red Gyarados was a town vig, vigging Rancid...why would Rancid be the one janned?
Basically, my head's been going over it all day. And I know that revealing this is massively stupid, but I really need to say it all the same. I've ultimately been trying to read Red Gyarados not off of what I've speculated their role to be, but off of their play, yet even then...it's iffy. I simply...don't know for sure, yet this massive possibility has been such that I simply can't let it go unsaid.
Okay, first of all, where the hell did we crumb vig? I don't remember ever doing it because I'm not a vig. Also, why would I shoot someone I was townreading yesterday?
Secondly, me calling you a 'mafia treestump' was a joke. Your vote was crossed off and in red. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you're essentially a treestump at that point in time.
Finally, why are you insinuating that I shot you when I'm pretty sure you heavily implied that you activated it yourself (maybe, I'd have to check up on that)?
In post 4152, MastinSSK wrote: Because after they made the threat, Rancid essentially went, "Duly noted". I'd have to track down the exact spot in their iso, but it basically went,
"We're gladiating DespBRO."
"You try that, you're never going to get it through."
"...Duly noted."
(And me, after that, going, "...Oh." Silently. Since I of course wasn't going to highlight that I caught it.)
I actually have no idea what you're talking about here and would need it to be pointed out for me. Also, I remember Kagura opposing the gladiate pretty heavily and am wondering if you have me confused with him.
In post 4156, MastinSSK wrote: In post 2537, Red Gyarados wrote:It's probably not GiF, and if you even think about trying to lynch that slot you're not making it to Night 1.
By then if he's town, a vig might just shoot him.
Found it! I think, anyway.
Apparently, I misremembered and Rancid didn't point it out, but *I* certainly noticed it. I dunno if it was here or earlier, butyeah. I saw a vig-'crumb, and townned them for it.
The first part doesn't imply anything about me being a vig because I said he wouldn't make it to Night 1 (unless you think I was crumbing Dayvig). I was actually implying that I wouldn't just join his wagon, I'd push it.
The second part is me making a slight at my other hydra head's play in Street Racers (where he shot PV and PV was the town cop).
Mastin/Kagura. Make it happen.
I haven't read it, but I'm aware of what Falcon is capable of as a player (he meta-dove me pretty successfully in the micro I played with him even though we were butting heads the entire time). But I thought meta-diving is something he's able to replicate as scum?
Look less at the content and more at what he's actually trying to do.
Open the mailbox. Pray there's not an explosive device in it.
Not surprised by this considering he's been your only scumread since who knows how long.
And you're not even voting him.
In post 4211, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I feel really similar to ffery to be fair. I mean theoretically I should be reading mastin's posts closely/interacting with her so I can either decide that I agree with Ceph's recent town thoughts about her or confirm my scumread so I can better discuss the read with Ceph, but am I actually going to do that? I don't think so.
I think with mastin it's gotten to the point (at least in my mind) where there's just SO MUCH posting and a lot of it to me feels like what I would expect from scum, but a lot of it also feels like it could be from town and makes me doubt my read. Being my almost-zero-confidence self I don't know whether or not I should be trusting that, and with all the conflicting content, trying to figure out whether it's scum faking town-ness but slipping up at times, or just me calling things scummy that aren't, has become such a chore that I'm pretty done with it myself. Obviously the confidence thing doesn't apply to everyone, but not really being up to interacting with Mastin is completely understandable imo and I think some of the above may be reasons for others as well.
Ceph has other obligations at the moment and I won't push a vote without him unless I feel that it becomes necessary, but where I am at is that I have a legitimate scumread on Cupcake which I'd probably be more ok with lynching now than I was when I voted, but I'd also be quite willing to lynch Mastin. Obviously Ceph thinks Mastin's town though and I haven't heard back from him about the former so I don't know where we'll end up.
Notty thinks you're extremely town in your interactions with RBD/Mastin, but I really don't like your waffling and refusal to move the game forward in a meaningful way.
And I'm pretty sure most of your contributions today thus far has been 'I think Mastin could be town' or 'I think Mastin could be scum.' What do your other reads look like?
I like this unvote but I'm sticking to the Kagura wagon.
AtE won't save him from Red Gyarados' bloodlust this time.
In post 4227, AngryPidgeon wrote:Why did you flop onto Nacho despite them being confirmed-would-game-throw levels of town?
? I don't understand this statement.
Are you referring to his earlier reads? If so, I'll need to go back and take a look at how his read flopped.
Do you think Mastin has been trying to drop fake towntells in this game? I can think of at least two instances off the top of my head where this could have occurred in the game thread.
?
No? And I don't like where you're going with that typo.
In post 4242, Titan wrote:...are you literally posting an iso of mine from two freaking years ago to use as meta.
Are you? Are you serious?
You're asking me stupid questions that are already answered or are such common freaking sense I have no idea why you ask them. I also have no freaking idea why I'm continuing to engage with you because conversations with you go nowhere because you either have no ability or actual desire to see where someone else is coming from that it's like talking to a brick wall. Do you remember our discussion in the Board Game? You know the role fishing one? Where I explained our thought process and motivation a million times and you still didn't get it. OH and hey guess what Porkens did misinterpret his role information which is what we were trying to solidify.
NO WAIT SERIOUSLY ARE YOU POSTING TWO YEAR OLD META AS YOUR BASIS FOR READING ME WHEN THE BOARD GAME GAME IS LESS THAN A MONTH OLD AND I'M ACTUALLY MORE ENGAGED IN THIS GAME THAN IN THAT OTHER GAME THAT JUST ENDED AND YOU'RE POSTING TWO YEAR OLD META.
Hmmmm? He could be. Tammy, on the other hand, looks pretty town in their interactions.
Also, 2-year old meta is really cold meta (I don't even like meta that much to begin with because I don't know how to use it).
*Fighting urge to sheep Nacho. It's really hard and I do it every game (even when I'm scumreading him) and I'll need to consult with my other head because I still think he could be scum.
In post 4279, Titan wrote:But hey play to your Cassandra hilt all you want. Everybody else in the game can see the damned obvious that I'm town but no you're probably right I'm probably scum because my neighborhood's been a little inactive, though we have discussed some things when we have time, and I claimed to someone when I didn't have a full town read on them.
Where the fuck has Clyton been? He seems to have completely disappeared since getting his neighborhood. It's skeevy.
In post 4283, AngryPidgeon wrote:Belisarius: What is your read on Brian Skies and why? Have you talked about it with Ffery at all?
Between the two heads, why am I the one being singled out? Also, I want an opinion from you since you're the one who brought it up.
Neither Notty nor I have anything to say about Cupcake's alignment. Notty just finds it weird that he's not getting sorted when he supposedly has 'black/white' meta. Neither of us know how to read him though and he hasn't been contributing anything towards a town wincon (and seems pretty proud about it).
In post 4286, AngryPidgeon wrote:Yes and if you read Anytihng Goes, or any mastin game, you'd know that the odds of mastin bussing me to hell and back with us being scum/scum are reallllly low, bordering on not happening ever.
Mastin is a self-admitted player who says she changes up her meta semi-frequently. She also said the same thing about you.
Also, Mastin was trying to get you lynched pretty hard in Anything Goes and you scumread her and accused her of spreading smoke. Do you think Mastin as town would be that wrong at reading you this game?
Oh really? Neither do I. But I was completely planning on filling out Cabd's application to join a townblock with you in Empire's Large before I replaced out (and I had planned on doing it within the first 25 pages or so). I'm kind of sad to know that it would never have worked out for me.
I'm actually extremely bugged about this and don't know if I've expressed it yet. But somebody in your group needs to die.
I've reached the top of page 175. I'm extremely pleased with myself and will now be rewarding myself by proceeding to not give a shit about this game for the next 12 or so hours.
