Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[ActionDan]

Acceding*

[Cheetory6]

I'm still holding out for Titus/Bulba both being scum and Singer/myself being town being my favourite outcome for this game.

[Oversoul]

I never bluff.

When I say I mean it.

Fuucking yes I mean it.

Even when you're scum?

I think a solid town bloc is TTH, Vezok, Cheetory, Singer, Mastin, myself

[TellTaleHeart]

Agree that scum was likely involved in that mastin Bane push.

Is there a way to measure that against the known town wagons?

Town Wagons:

TellTaleHeart: Titus, singersigner, Oversoul, Aronis, Formerfish, vezokpiraka, Cheetory6, ChannelDelibrd
TSO: Titus, Untrod Tripod, Gammagooey, singersigner, mastin2, vezokpiraka, Cheetory6, ActionDan, GuyInFreezer, ChannelDelibird

mastin Bane wagon:

mastin2: vezokpiraka, TellTaleHeart, singersigner, Untrod Tripod, Aronis, Oversoul, Cheetory, Gammagooey

All Three: singersigner, Cheetory, vezokpiraka
Two out of Three: Gamma, UT, Aronis, Titus, Oversoul, CDB
One out of Three: TTH, Formerfish, mastin, ActionDan, GIF
None: Bulbazak. Deasvail. Espeonage. Shadoweh

There does appear to be quite a bit of overlap there.
*Side Note: Curiously, I think the best chances of finding scum is actually going to be in the above "None" tier. Bulba and Esp showing up there kind of surprised me.*

Just to have the information:

Unflipped Wagons:

Espeonage: ChannelDelibird, vezorpiraka, Cheetory6, Untrod Tripod, ActionDan, Aronis, GuyInFreezer, Shadoweh
singersigner: Aronis, Gammagooey, Bulbazak, mastin2, Titus
ActionDan: DeasVail, singersigner, T S O, Espeonage, Aronis, GuyInFreezer, ChannelDelibird, Titus
ChannelDelibird: Gammagooey, Titus, Formerfish, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart, Untrod Tripod, vezokpiraka, ActionDan, Espeonage

Just eyeballing it, it looks like there's also a lot of overlap between the town wagons, the Esp wagon, the CDB wagon, and the ActionDan wagon as well.

Is there anything to all this, or is the overlap in the vote count just an artifact of something I'm not considering? @_@

[TellTaleHeart]

My preliminary conclusions are that Bulba and DV are scum and there's 2 scum in [Gamma, Titus, Cheetory, vezok, Formerfish].

(That really narrows things down. I'm great at this.)

[Titus]

@TTH, Why does your wagon analysis exclude the wagonson me and Bulba

[TellTaleHeart]

That was after just thumbing through hito's ISO not particularly carefully. I don't recall one on Bulba, but I'll look at the one on you.

[Titus]

He had his bane wagon.

[TellTaleHeart]

Oh, right.

Titus: Espeonage, Cheetory6, GuyInFreezer, vezokpiraka, Aronis, singersigner
Bulbazak: DeasVail, Gammagooey, Shadoweh, Cheetory6, Titus, vezokpiraka, GuyInFreezer, Aronis, Oversoul, T S O

[Titus]

My wagon has two of your scum suspects. The Bulba wagon has almost all of them.

[TellTaleHeart]

The elusive DV and Shadoweh make appearances but other than that, it's the same people.

And there's vezok riding bitch on two more wagons.

[Titus]

@TTH, Do you think we're looking at an agency capture situation?

[TellTaleHeart]

Please outline the analogy more. I flunked out of analogy school.

[Titus]

Agency Capture is not an analogy but a theory. Simplisticly, an agency is captured if the group that is supposed to be regulated is who is doing the regulating.

In terms of mafia, it means scum are preventing wagons on them by putting thoughts into conftowns heads or are widely townread and can shut down any scum wagon.

[TellTaleHeart]

So I took a gander at vezok's entrance and explanation on the TSO wagon and this is what I came up with:

vote tso

This wagon feels very strange, but I think scum as at the end of the tunnel.

vezok seems to always come across as quite the contrarian in terms of reads, but somehow his name keeps coming up in the VCA.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Vezok VCs

VC 26 (Minor Day 1, VC 26)

Bane:

Target player's Sign is revealed.

(6)

Bulbazak:

DeasVail, Gammagooey, Shadoweh, Cheetory6, Titus, vezokpiraka [L-4]
(3)

Empire

: Bulbazak, GuyInFreezer, Marquis

(Titus, Untrod Tripod)

(3)

vezokpiraka:

T S O, ChannelDelibird, Untrod Tripod
(2)

Gammagooey:

ActionDan, Empire

(vezokpiraka)

(1)

Titus:

mastin2

(4)

No Bane Vote:

Aronis, Espeonage, TellTaleHeart, Tammy

(Titus)

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to Bane. Deadline is Sunday, April 5th at 9 PM CST.

Minor Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-05 21:00:00)

mastin2 may be V/LA in the near future.

VC 36 (Minor Day 1, VC 36)

Boon:

This Minor Night, in addition to using a Minor Night action, target player may learn the Sign of any other player. This does not interact with any abilities in any way.

(9)

vezokpiraka:

Gammagooey, Espeonage, Shadoweh, ChannelDelibird, Titus, GuyInFreezer, Aronis, DeasVail, vezokpiraka [L-1!]

(4)

T S O:

T S O, Cheetory6, Marquis, Bulbazak

(vezokpiraka)

(3)

Tammy:

GuyInFreezer, DeasVail, Untrod Tripod

(GuyInFreezer, Bulbazak)

(2)

Marquis:

Aronis, TellTaleHeart
(1)

Shadoweh:

ActionDan

(Aronis)

(3)

No Boon Vote:

Empire, mastin2, Tammy

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to Boon. Deadline is Sunday, April 5th at 9 PM CST.

Minor Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-05 21:00:00)

Less than twelve hours until deadline.

GuyInFreezer is V/LA until April 6th.

Vezok's scum wagon maxes at 3.

We have a lot of recycled names on Vezok's boon.

[TellTaleHeart]

...and look who's at the tail end.

I kind of want to bane Cheetory.

Bane: Cheetory

[TellTaleHeart]

My plan:
1. Bane Cheetory.
2. Lynch DV.
3. Lynch vezok.

How does that sound?

[hitogoroshi]

VC 105 (Minor Day 2, VC 7)

Bane:

Target player may not submit actions this Major Night.

(4)

ActionDan:

singersigner, Oversoul, Gammagooey, Untrod Tripod [L-5]
(3)

Espeonage:

ActionDan, Espeonage, ChannelDelibird

(Cheetory6)

(3)

Untrod Tripod:

Formerfish, Titus, Cheetory6
(2)

mastin2:

vezokpiraka, Aronis

(Cheetory6, singersigner, Oversoul, Gammagooey, Untrod Tripod, TellTaleHeart)

[L-5]
(1)

singersigner:

mastin2
(1)

Aronis:

Shadoweh
(1)

Cheetory6:

TellTaleHeart
(0)

Titus:

(Oversoul, Gammagooey)

(2)

No Bane Vote:

Bulbazak, Deasvail

(Aronis)

With 17 players alive it's 9 to Bane. Minor Day One ends on Monday, May 4th at 8:00 PM CST.

Minor Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-05-04 20:00:00)

[Titus]

My plan:
1. Bane Cheetory.
2. Lynch DV.
3. Lynch vezok.

How does that sound?

I am fine with the latter but Cheetory seems town. Is therea behavioral reason to bane Cheetory?

[Oversoul]

Cheetory and Vezok seem pretty town.

[Gammagooey]

I don't think cheetory looks nearly as town as everyone else seems to but baneing him over everyone else doesn't seem like something that's going to happen in two or so days and I don't think it's even remotely worth the sludgeslide of words that would be required to make it happen, especially when he's not even a strong scum read.

I wanted to be ACTUALLY cheeky about something in this game to try to make scum's minor night choices less predictable but don't bane UT because I fully intend to help kill him tomorrow. I've kept seeing little genuine things from him over and over like with mastin and his forgetting ffery and his general frustration at the game but none of them are actually scumhunting, and none of them are things that he wouldn't or couldn't actually feel and believe as scum.

Also, I swear if I could flip a switch that would incinerate every person who isn't voting for something halfway through every day I would do it without hesitating for a second. Not trying to actually make something happen now after the shitshow that was trying to get a lynch at deadline yesterday is awful.

[Cheetory6]

Congrats on making the hedgiest post ever Gamma.

[Cheetory6]

If people vote to bane me I'm totally definitely going to claim and ruin the game.
Like I'm warning u guyz for real don't do it.

But seriously just pick someone, I don't give a fuck if it's me or on someone scummy or whatever.
Just get on with it.

[DeasVail]

I'm going to start getting back into this tonight, and hopefully by the end of the weekend I'll be somewhat back involved in this game. I don't think my engagement is ever going to be quite as it was at the beginning of the game, but it should be an improvement over what it is now!