I think we've had this conversation before and you pointed me to the top part of the post
When I initially read it yes I did think that
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:01 pm
by Nosferatu
I'm not upset, I'm just confused, maybe exasperated? I know you're not sold that I'm scum and you're just entertaining a train of thought but your train of thought irks me.
Normally I'd just start screaming but I'm listening to some chill music and I was feeling really enlightened before this convo started so I'm idk feeling more patient right now.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:04 pm
by Nosferatu
We had a conversation similar to this, but that one was about kokichi, not maria.
What made you think I voted maria because of the claimed guilty?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:10 pm
by Nosferatu
I ask because to
me
In post 3496, Nosferatu wrote:im scared that we lynch mariar and she actually flips scum lmfao
: When did you go from believing Katsuki's claim to not believing it?
i dont remember believing it
these 3 posts imply that I (nos) don't believe in maria's guilty, and I would understand leading the conversation with "why did you vote maria", but you didn't stop there, you asked why I did and then you imply that I at some point believed it and am now claiming to never have believed it.
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:13 pm
by Dunnstral
Why did you vote Maria, then?
What made me think you were following the fake guilty was when you said "until now" and voted with no other justification
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:18 pm
by Nosferatu
ok, in the time from my last post to the post that i voted maria, I read a post that made me go "oh yeah, maybe I should vote here"
In post 4445, Moment wrote:1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.
It looks more like they're resigned to their lynch and are giving out last reads than they're trying to set up associatives or change the lynch
That can come from town or scum. In fact, it might even be
scum
indicative if Prof Fridays is a town player that normally fights tooth and nail against getting mislynch.
This for me is somewhat of a special case, as I feel like I can't hardly make a dent in people's perception of my scumminess - i.e., people seem too gosh darn stubborn and belligerent for me to really change their minds, especially when I'm at L-1.
I also agree that poisoner is likely to claim VT, but I'm a little bothered by the fact that people are only now talking about my claim when I claimed several pages ago
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:24 am
by Dunnstral
I'm probably biased due to all this testosterone, and because katsuki fake claimed a guilty on me in minuet, and because Maria is my friend, but in my humble opinion I believe that prof fridays has shown themself to be town and we should consider other possibilities
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:28 am
by Dunnstral
Get on this man wagon or you will be cursed with a low testosterone bias
In post 4418, MariaR wrote:I feel like I'm choking on all this testosterone
Is this the next excuse for ignoring what I say? Keep em' coming
Oh you hush right now and quit your crying mr. You know for a fact I will sit you down so fast. I get you're upset with this game but you acting this way isn't gonig to do you any favors. It's a team game Dunn take a step back like I did if you're upset
, at least, stays in-tact. It's better to stick with the current category of 'no-guns' until scum poisoner is found, so by that account, I'll admit that lynching me is better than lynching a town gunsmith. It would essentially force scum's hand to rule people out by slimming down one of the two pools, so in theory, we quickly find scum poisoner if they choose to shoot no-guns, otherwise they ready the gunsmith pool for lynching. While I'm wary of gaming FakeGod, I think after the 3 Town MCs-thing, I'd be surprised if he threw a second curve ball. I imagine most of you subscribe to this plan (I hope), so this is perhaps nothing new, but I thought I would mention it anyway, due to its importance as a strategy for town-win.
I really hate this list because in a Prof friday scum world the part we would look at is the gun cataory and those details are quite bland and wifom compared to the one with other no guns. Also Prof why were you voting Sakura over me if I'm lower on the list? That doesn't make much sense for me
im not really reading what your reasons are cause i dont really care and im not gonna lie to myself and pretend to
i only care about the placement of everyone else. its interesting you townread wisdom and not kokichi. You also have no red reads. Why's that?
Why do you townread Kokichi so hard? I'd love to hear that
In post 4434, Nosferatu wrote:i understand that but if you have two pools and you have no obvious scumreads I would expect town to PoE and just pick the ones that arent towny as potential scum
the fact that you didn't makes your readlist seem wishwashy and non-committal.
I saw this but didn't really remember what maths picks were so I ignored it
In post 4447, Moment wrote:I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).
With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.
The fact you're just letting a prof friday lynch go through thinking they're town and I am clearly pushing it doesn't raise alarm bells to you? If I were you I'd be calling that wagon off I doubt is bussing right now since the other scum is likely in gunsmiths so what are you doing right now? This is a really big scum claim
Something other than Vanilla Town that doesn't have a gun, presumably. Hadn't really given a lot of thought to the specifics. I'm not sure how much creativity it would really require, if any at all.
Anyone who claims non VT with no gun would've prob been a main char and I don't think anyone would claim not VT here as poisoner
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:03 am
by MariaR
UNVOTE:
Moments play around this wagon makes me want to take a step back
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:11 am
by MariaR
In post 4451, Sakura Hana wrote:First of all, all 3 MCs are dead, we have 5 gunsmiths running around, and a dead JOAT with presumably cop similar abilities.
I dunno but it feels like Poisoner claims VT here 100% of the time.
yeah this
In post 4485, Dunnstral wrote:I'm probably biased due to all this testosterone, and because katsuki fake claimed a guilty on me in minuet, and because Maria is my friend, but in my humble opinion I believe that prof fridays has shown themself to be town and we should consider other possibilities
Stop. You're doing yourself no favors at
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:11 am
by MariaR
at all*
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:12 am
by Kokichi Oma
Prodge sorry
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:14 am
by MariaR
Kokichi and moment can't both be scum and the way moment is reacting to the prof wagon doesn't seem like partners to me it feels like him knowing prof is town and trying to set up a ML for me the next day. So where the fuck am I incorrect
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:41 am
by MariaR
Spoiler: All moment posts this day
In post 4272, Moment wrote:I don't think it's terribly unlikely that Prof Fridays is scum. Spiffeh seemed to disagree though (at least, regarding ankamius' play), so I'd like to see what he has to say there.
In post 4274, Purrcocet wrote:honestly ima make a bold statement and say we can lock that slot scum just for ank's read on mylo
What about Maria?
Also, Purrcocet does have a gun.
In post 4443, Moment wrote:Someone call me if lynching in Prof Fridays, MariaR and Nosferatu doesn't win the game. Oh, and don't lynch Muffins. I think he's (probably) not scum.
By the way, crazy idea I've been considering that I feel like just floating out there: scum Purrcocet?
Prof Fridays looks like town in his recent reaction to pressure - MariaR you know my read there, Nosferatu softed his investigative result on day 1 which is a weird angle to take if he were scum faking gunsmith
In order:
1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.
2) Gotcha.
3) Mind quoting that for me?
In post 4447, Moment wrote:I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).
With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.
Something other than Vanilla Town that doesn't have a gun, presumably. Hadn't really given a lot of thought to the specifics. I'm not sure how much creativity it would really require, if any at all.
In post 4451, Sakura Hana wrote:First of all, all 3 MCs are dead, we have 5 gunsmiths running around, and a dead JOAT with presumably cop similar abilities.
I dunno but it feels like Poisoner claims VT here 100% of the time.
Sure. Like I said; it wasn't a huge indicator to me. I will say, however, that Minuet's Trio had the main characters, the "mass" role as well as one other town role separate from both of those; it's not entirely unreasonable. Although, as I type that, I realize that that "other" town role is probably just Dunnstral.
Eh, yeah. I suppose it's probably not really indicative one way or the other actually.
In post 4445, Moment wrote:1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.
It looks more like they're resigned to their lynch and are giving out last reads than they're trying to set up associatives or change the lynch
That can come from town or scum. In fact, it might even be
scum
indicative if Prof Fridays is a town player that normally fights tooth and nail against getting mislynch.
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In post 4454, Sakura Hana wrote:Can't claim doctor because we already got an MC gated Doctor.
Can't claim poisoner because obviously
Can't claim Gunsmith because no gun
Can't claim Cop because no gun and an MC with a gated cop shot (or more).
Can't claim any other investigative because they'd likely be found lying sooner rather than later.
Can't claim BP because we lynch them anyways.
Seriously what are you expecting a scum poisoner to claim here.
I already said that I hadn't given it much specific thought; I get the point.
Seemingly inconsistent or made up positions, the forced posting from the beginning of the game, and a realization that some things that I was townreading him for earlier - mainly frustration with Nancy Drew- would probably still come from scum in the same manner. That's the short version of it, at least.
Oh, and also the way that he dealt with the guilty on MariaR. This isn't an associative read, it's a scumtell that I've found myself guilty of sometimes. If you go back and look, he just didn't really talk about it at all. You could call it TMI on knowing that it's a fake guilty and being awkward to deal with it or you could call it a partner associative (I'm not calling it one way or the other), but either way I think that sort of skirting around an issue is a scum reaction.
You can see at the start moment goes "Prof could be scum" in his very first post. So why isn't he voting? Because he's waiting for Spiffy? But that doesn't make much sense to wait for a scumread to voice there thoughts. Unless moment is gonna say he outright wanted spiffy to speak so it can change his thoughts but I doubt that so he must tr spiffy. But last I checked it was a scumread look here:
In post 623, MariaR wrote:The reason I disappear is that I do other things while I post and sometimes forget about the game. Dunn can vouch for me on this I do agree that I could've asked Nancy more but my day really wasn't the best and mafia was the last thing on my mind. I do think you're towny because I can fully understand where you're coming from. Can you go into more detail on your Nos scumread? Would you lynch Spiffy here?
There's not much more to my Nosferatu scumread than I said in 307, especially considering as he hasn't actually been around since then. Spiffeh I'm starting to come around on; perhaps it's just me being fooled by scum starting to put more effort in, but I would need more convincing to lynch him at the moment.
And, as much as I believe you in what you say, I'm afraid it doesn't really change anything with regards to my read on you. I don't think that it could.
In post 670, Moment wrote:For the record, I'm coming more around to town Dunnstral and back around to scum Spiffeh.
In post 666, Moment wrote:Town, town, undecided. Why those three in specific?
It's the 3 people I'm trying to sort the most at the moment.
Is that because you scumread them, or...? I'm not sure you got to the core of my question. Why are you trying to sort those three the most right now?
In post 1608, Moment wrote:Well, as long as TBG, Katsuki, and zMuffinMan are still "playing" the game like they are, my list of suspects pretty much just boils down to Kokichi, matt and maybe Spiffeh. So...
VOTE: projectmatt
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In post 1606, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I was thinking about your Maria buddying comments D1 and now I understand why nothing she did actually looked like buddying to me. Because, it just seemed quite natural to me and I doubt I would have even considered it, had you not suggested it first. Usually if I’m being pocketed, I’ll get pinged in some way. There will be something about the way they’re reacting to me that either seems insincere or over the top, and I didn’t get that sense at all from Maria.
Sure.
In post 4272, Moment wrote:I don't think it's terribly unlikely that Prof Fridays is scum. Spiffeh seemed to disagree though (at least, regarding ankamius' play), so I'd like to see what he has to say there.
He goes "I'm coming around to town spiffy"
But then goes back to scum
Then back to maybe. And this is never explained not once so it's logical to think he still scumreads them so why is he waiting for Spiffy thoughts? The read feels made up and like a random excuse to not vote Prof. It feels like moment is doing anything to stay off the wagon.
The rest of the iso is a bit of wagon why Prof could be town for claiming "VT" when Sakura proves this incorrect he says "I get it" and throws the reason away. He also throws a few jabs at me wanting to line up lynches on me and Purr Nos in the last post? Overall I think Moment has tried to line up lynches with his TMI info and trying to find good advantages and reasons for why X Y Z is scum. I don't want to vote Prof friday because given how moment is acting behind this wagon. Honestly I don't expect people to read this cause I made it but hey if you do thanks Kudos tell me your thoughts.
I want to vote moment but sadly he's a gun holder and ik we should vote in people who don't have guns.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:46 am
by MariaR
He's looking for reasons that stick and avoiding the prof wagon so he can go "yeah prof was town" and line up lynches you can see the progression getting to that point in a weird angle because his first post of the day was "prof could be scum"
So find a reason to not vote there (Spiffy) but we already explained how that's weird and doesn't make sense. Why isn't he voting me? Moment should be voting me here but maybe he doesn't want a wagon on me to get traction cause prof is already so close to be being lynched? That's the best bet I can think of because his words do not make any sense. It's stalling to look good for not lynching town and if he lynched me after too he'd be obv sus.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:52 am
by MariaR
That Spiffy read is fabricated but does that make moment/Spiffy SvS? Maybe infact I can see it that could explain why it's so random and why he asked Spiffy of all people VOTE: Spiffeh
I like Sakura her engagement with me felt legit I think she's town her play doesn't make sense as scum it's outright suicide
Muffin? I don't really understand but he's town for a mod error cause I'd have been lynched otherwise I believe? I need more details on that but I'd vote him over Sakura
Prof is spewed town with moment scum
bingo.