<[M191]> GM1: Gaian Alliance <[Game Over]>

[Puzzle]

Added: I think I know who puzzle is going to say he saw, and why he is not, but we still need to know. If it confirms SV as a gg role, rather then a serial killer, that helps us out a lot.

Bleh, yes, I saw Gaia... which does raise the question of why Thanatos didn't come up...

[BabyJesus]

ok, that settles then.

unvote, vote Yos

He sounds most like the liar here.

[Phoebus]

Both the SK and Mafia have to target me to kill me. However, you are forgetting BJ in your equation. If BJ is quick enough to post his action PM to role-block one of them, we would cancel all kills.

<<snip>>

If I show up dead tomorrow, chances are big that BJ screwed up or is scum but I doubt it.

That's assuming a whole bunch of stuff. Like BJ knowing whom to go after.
If you're lucky, he'll hit SK and a whole kill can be thwarted. However, there could be potentially two scum out there (potentially) in which case, it's lowering the odds that he gets it right. With six alive and maybe one SK + one scum, seeing as Lubabah and Fuldu are dead, the odds of hitting a townie are greater.
You do the maths.

The part after the snip is rather convenient.

vote lauritz for sk
(though unless thantos is really present and SV is him, being the even vig.
Thanatos

cannot

be evil.)

[BabyJesus]

So, Phoebus, you claim as Hera you have no powers?

[Phoebus]

Correct.
Think about it.

Do you want to get married or have children in these traumatic times?
I think not...

[Lauritz Melchior]

Something about Phoebus' posts is bothering me, but it might just be the repetitive "vote lauritz for sk"

Sometime soon, I will look over recent posts and say something more.

Vote Lauritz for senator.

[BabyJesus]

OK, here's the deal. I don't know if I believe Phoebus, but he's already going to be asleep tomorrow, so it does not matter. Lets see if a killing role comes up missing. Since mod uses time stamps, unless Phoebus already submitted a kill, he is SOL.

lets

vote off Yos

now.

[PBuG]

BJ, you can't vote double

Yosarian2 --- 2 --- Puzzle, Baby Jesus
Phoebus --- 2 --- Lauritz Melchior
Puzzle --- 1 --- Yosarian2
Lauritz Melchior --- 1 --- Phoebus

4 to lynch.

EDIT: Sorry, mod mistake :O

[Yosarian2]

(sigh) This is so frustrating. I was the one who proposed a mass claim first yesterday, partly because I thought it was completly bloody obvious that my own role was both in the game and a good guy and hoped that we could narrow it down based on stuff like that, but I guess it's not as clear as I thought it was. At this point I'm 90% certain that Baby Jesus is a good guy based on the fact that his role-claim seems to be true, but he's also completly wrong about me. If my behavior yesterday, the fact I claimed child of Gaia when I didn't have to yesterday and was under no pressure, the fact that the mod mentioned my role or the way I helped get a mafia lynched yesterday dosn't convince you that I'm telling the truth, then I'm not sure what will. I'm going to keep trying, because if you guys decide to lynch me today then the town will most likely lose with the numbers being as they are unless we get a lucky doc protection or roleblock, but I'm just not sure what else I can say.

[Yosarian2]

Wait, what? When did I vote for myself?

unvote:Yosarian2

vote:Puzzle

[Lauritz Melchior]

BJ, I also think that you're way off with Yosarian.

[BabyJesus]

Puzzle --- 4 --- Yosarian2, Save The Dragons, Fuldu, shelper
Lubabah --- 4 --- Lauritz Melchior, d_rouge, Phoebus, BabyJesus
Yosarian2 --- 2 --- Lubabah, Puzzle
Not voting --- 1 --- SapphireVerde

bump....noting who was on scum Lubabah early, and who was not....not sure how Yos claims he helped get the scum lynched....

[BabyJesus]

Puzzle --- 3 --- Save The Dragons, Fuldu, shelper
Lubabah --- 3 ---

Lauritz Melchior, d_rouge, Phoebus

Fuldu --- 2 --- Puzzle, BabyJesus
Yosarian2 --- 1 --- Lubabah
Phoebus --- 1 --- Yosarian2
Not voting --- 1 --- SapphireVerde

Man, my head hurts...

if Phoebus was scum, would he be the 3rd, and possibly pivotal vote on fellow scum here, or would he rather be on puzzle?

Makes me think those in blue are clean....

[BabyJesus]

It’s not that uncommon for scum to try to de-rail an attack on another scum by attacking one of the attackers. Granted that it’s risky because it does make them both look scummy, that doesn’t stop scum from trying it from time to time.

That almost sounds like the exact same thing you are doing to BJ.

Upon more thought of that by me, it seems scummy indeed.

Unvote: BabyJesus. Vote:Yosarian2

ok, changing my mind here...I forgot this early tiff between Lubabah and Yos.... OK, I'm on board the Yos is clean bandwagon.

unvote

[Lauritz Melchior]

BJ, not to make myself appear scummy, but I wasn't voting for Lubabah because I thought that he was suspicious. In fact, I thought that he was innocent until the very end. Just clearing that up.

[BabyJesus]

BJ, not to make myself appear scummy, but I wasn't voting for Lubabah because I thought that he was suspicious. In fact, I thought that he was innocent until the very end. Just clearing that up.

I don't suspect you of being scum....since you verified who you killed, I think you are either vig or serial killer, neither of which would have known about Lubabah....

[BabyJesus]

vote SapphireVerde

[Puzzle]

No, not SV. If SV is scum, it means that she isn't Gaia. If she isn't, then I lied. Then, if SV is scum, I am too, so there is no reason to lynch SV before me (doesn't mean you have to lynch me...).

As there was a snitch among the Mafia, it is quite possible that they were 4 to begin with, which means there could still be 2. Therefore, I think our priority today is to lynch the SK in order to be sure to reduce the number of night kills. IMO, he is one of Yosarian2, Lauritz or Phoebus.
I'm keeping my vote on Yosarian2 because of what I have already explained, in particular his over-aggressivity and problems of keeping his story straight.
I've got an alternate theory for a fourth possibility but it's less likely in my mind right now.

The questions I would like everyone to answer is the following :
- Do you agree on the necessity to lynch the SK first ? If not, why ?
- Who do you think is the SK ? Why ?

[BabyJesus]

vote lauritz

[Yosarian2]

As there was a snitch among the Mafia, it is quite possible that they were 4 to begin with, which means there could still be 2. Therefore, I think our priority today is to lynch the SK in order to be sure to reduce the number of night kills. IMO, he is one of Yosarian2, Lauritz or Phoebus.
I'm keeping my vote on Yosarian2 because of what I have already explained, in particular his over-aggressivity and problems of keeping his story straight.

You and Lubabah working together, both using tons of crap logic, to try to get me lynched me for most of day one, and now you try to say

I'm

overly aggressive?

[BabyJesus]

At this point, I think we need to lynch in the group of Lauritz, Sapphire, or Phoebus today.

Who do we think is more likely to be serial killer, thanatos or Poseidon? I'm guessing thanatos.....which is likely to be SapphireVerde.

So who left is scum - again, Sapphireverde stands out as not being anywhere close to the Lubabah lynch.

Someone explain to me again why we shouldn't lynch SV? I'm all for it.

[BabyJesus]

Unvote, Vote SapphireVerde

Right now, I think thats our best shot at hitting scum, either in normal scum or serialkiller. I encourage everyone to follow suit.

[Lauritz Melchior]

I rather suspect Phoebus of being SKer or mafia. Later today (and that's a promise), I'll look over his posts and give try to explain my feelings about him.

[Phoebus]

Something about Phoebus' posts is bothering me, but it might just be the repetitive "vote lauritz for sk"

Sometime soon, I will look over recent posts and say something more.

Vote Lauritz for senator.

I rather suspect Phoebus of being SKer or mafia. Later today (and that's a promise), I'll look over his posts and give try to explain my feelings about him.

Nice. This amuses me.

Something here rings untrue.

@ Lauritz Melchior : is your reason role-based (always have to vote at beginning of day or variant) or

did a third party (night action) force you to vote Lubabah

?

Italics mine

That's post 219

BJ, not to make myself appear scummy, but I wasn't voting for Lubabah because I thought that he was suspicious. In fact, I thought that he was innocent until the very end. Just clearing that up.

That's post 464.
You tell me what's wrong there.

While I would think that the first is a claim of his vote being manipulated, the second, while not implying it wasn't, suggests it was still there nonetheless for no better reason.

Please explain that.
A point in your favour would be that your vote was manipulated. Unless the SK is immune to that, which is possible but not necessarily probable, you're cleared. Only your choice of words looks iffy to me.

Vote Lauritz for SK.

unvote: Lauritz; vote: Puzzle

Withholding information after post 467 is downright stupid.

No, not SV. If SV is scum, it means that she isn't Gaia. If she isn't, then I lied. Then, if SV is scum, I am too, so there is no reason to lynch SV before me (doesn't mean you have to lynch me...).

You're mentioning lying, affiliation and reeking of defense and panic throughout that.

As there was a snitch among the Mafia, it is quite possible that they were 4 to begin with, which means there could still be 2. Therefore, I think our priority today is to lynch the SK in order to be sure to reduce the number of night kills.

While the latter part of that part is valid, it will go horribly wrong if you miss out on the SK.
So you want to take a chance on missing an SK lynch and ALSO withhold information for tomorrow?
Maybe the scum will help take out the SK if they can sift through the claims.

The questions I would like everyone to answer is the following :
- Do you agree on the necessity to lynch the SK first ? If not, why ?
- Who do you think is the SK ? Why ?

- Yes
-Until previously in the post, I think it was Lauritz.
Your withholding information has made you look not nice. (though more scum than SK)
The point in Lauritz's favour is his vote manipulation, if indeed it was.
Your defense of SV makes me think she's scum as well and your Thanatos result was fabricated. Plus, you hold on to Gaia being in the game despite me harping on the fact that it is not good form for the mod to mention roles in flavour and then include them. You can give PBug some credit?
You don't share your second result even though there are less than 50% odds that we an lynch the SK today. This leads me to think, maybe you have no power and are pulling stuff out from your ass.
I would give you enough credit to build up a credible claim. Why? I dunno.
I'm sorry, I probably wouldn't give Lauritz as much but claiming vig after being a conservative SK is very viable. I've been there and done that.
However, the vote manipulation is a strong point in Lauritz's favour.

Grr. The three deaths really screwed things up!
So, by numbers, share info or get out.
I'll let teh SK win if he must. A lesson must be taught if you are town.
Not being an outright straight cop, plus having faith in the doc/blocker, you have no reason to withhold info.

BJ:
Don't make me scream again.

Who do we think is more likely to be serial killer, thanatos or Poseidon? I'm guessing thanatos.....which is likely to be SapphireVerde

POSEIDON!
Unless I need to have a serious talk with PBUg, POSEIDON!
He was the jealous one. He caused trouble. Earthquakes, floods, sea monsters and revenge. Thanatos just did his job, procuring the souls of those whose thread had been cut.

[Lauritz Melchior]

BJ, not to make myself appear scummy, but I wasn't voting for Lubabah because I thought that he was suspicious. In fact, I thought that he was innocent until the very end. Just clearing that up.

Let me clear that up. When I say that I "wasn't voting for Lubabah because I thought that he was suspicious," I mean just that. I thought that he was innocent because of my reason for voting for him, in addition to his being targetted. If that's not where the confusion is, then could you please explain the incongruity.

I do agree that it's foolish of anybody to withhold information at this point.