onsistency in the game is the most important trait as a mafia player, Junpei.
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ftentimes people will say gut or something akin to that, but more people have been caught with their pants down lying or having inconsistent stances.
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olicy lynches aren't even really scummy, and I'd say there's even a place or time for them if the players in the game are still really consistent.
I really wish that he had breadcrumbed rolecop, and as it stands, it doesn't really affect my thoughts on quadz claim, but I figured I may as well post it.
Secondly, looking at the sample role pm:
The Wisdom of the Crowds phase has concluded, with no players requiring replacement!
Roles have been distributed, and Role PMs are being released now, in the order of the roster as it appears in the OP. Once all Role PMs are released, this thread will be unlocked.
Pasted below is a sample Role PM. It was not sent to anyone in this game. However, the win condition it contains is the win condition sent to all town-aligned players.
If quadz is telling the truth, I would guess that he only sees the abilities that are preceded by a hyphen, so it seems reasonable to guess that he might not see the killing ability or the ability to talk in a QT.
I think that lynching quadz is a terrible idea. I don't see him as scum fake claiming a result like this on town Korlash to get him lynched today, especially if scum have a roleblocker. There is a chance that they are both scum, but we can consider that tomorrow.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:19 am
by iStark
↑Riceballtail wrote:Honestly, after reading most of this a few times now, I'm torn.
Some things that I've thought about that I don't think have been said already now: (WARNING: potential wild speculations may be ahead!)
Scum may have a redirect (although unlikely, the possibility is real).
Scum have a framer (extremely unlikely, but also mentioning it).
If Korlash is actually scum, why didn't Quadz see the typical scum abilities as well?
Anyone can breadcrumb a role. Thus, even scum can fake it.
Quadz instantly threw out that V2V was a vig kill, but do we even know that we have a vig at all? Nobody's claimed it. Stark is the only one who at this point also hasn't posted (not claiming it myself either).
Quadz + Korlash are a scumteam and will coast on town cred from this.
This leads me to believe that Quadz is most likely lying and simply trying to hold out for a 1:1. The only reason I am not voting right now is to prevent a potential quick/selfhammer to shorten the day.
Busy times in RL. I do manage to get at least one post in all my games everyday though.
VOTE: Korlash
For wasting yesterdays lynch you need to die today.
also, last 3 pages were amusing.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:24 am
by Korlash
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... *almost passes out*
Z-Something just outed himself as Quadz partner. Oh shit, that's funny.
Alright, my guess is scum were able to communicate during Confirmation. Ghost tells Z-Something his plan to set up a cop claim, and when Quadz replaces in he sees it and continues the trend.
Z-Something wrote:There is a chance that they are both scum, but we can consider that tomorrow.
Awww, cute! =D he even leaves in a bussing opportunity! You two make a fun pairing!
iStark wrote:For wasting yesterdays lynch you need to die today.
How did I 'waste' the lynch? I think that's a bit harsh blaming me for the entire thing. ;_;
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:18 am
by quadz08
The only thing worth responding to in the past page: The comment saying that I'm scum looking for a 1v1. How the HELL is that good for scum? One of us will get lynched. If that one flips town, the other one is sure as fuck getting lynched the next day. (And if that DOESN'T happen, I will personally reach through the internet and strangle all of you.) A 1-for-1 trade is GOOD FOR TOWN. If the 8:2 ratio speculation is correct, we're currently at 7:2. A scumlynch today puts us at 7:1, and then I (the outed town PR) am the likely nightkill, putting us at 6:1. Even if I get lynched today, we hit 6:2, then 5:2, then 5:1 tomorrow after you lynch Korlash. That's a significant advantage. And if our vig that I really think exists (though I need to go back and look at everyone's thoughts on V2V) has half a brain, they'd just fucking shoot Korlash if I get lynched.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:21 am
by quadz08
Oh, also. Scum didn't redirect me; there's no way scum would intentionally direct any role onto themselves, unless they really thought I was a doctor or something like that. (Which I suppose is technically possible, but I don't think it's likely.) If I was redirected, it was almost certainly by town.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:14 am
by Korlash
You stopped your math early, we would end up in 4:1 actually if I'm mislynched today.That gives us one lynch before LYLO, an advantage sure but I wouldn't say highly 'significant'.
I'm glad you're finally showing your true colors about this Vig bullshit though. How can you do math and not factor potentially two kills a night into it if you really think a vig exists? Unless you're saying you don't think scum have the ability to kill.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:19 am
by Korlash
Quad wrote:b) I've seen Korlash play as scum before (he was singersigner's IC in one of her SE games).
Is this the only game you've seen me in?
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:38 am
by quadz08
Actually, that's a fair point, Korlash. I forgot to factor in the vig. So, re-mathing:
Currently in 7:2. Assuming we lynch Korlash today:
7:1 end of D2.
WORST CASE:
5:1 end of N2.
4:1 end of D3.
2:1 end of N3, lylo D4.
BEST CASE:
6:0 end of N2 woooooooo
Assuming I'm lynched today:
6:2 end of D2
WORST CASE:
4:2 end of N2
3:2 end of D3 (assuming town derps HARD and neither vigs or lynches Korlash)
Game ends N3 if vig doesn't hit scum, 2:1 if vig does, going to LYLO on D4.
if town doesn't derp:
4:1 end of D3
2:1 end of N3, LYLO D4
BEST CASE:
6:2 end of D2
5:1 end of N2
lynch scums D3 win gamez.
So, honestly, even if Korlash is lynched today, it doesn't provide us with a gigantic advantage. Nonetheless, if I AM the lynch today, Korlash needs to die immediately afterwards. End of story.
And I've looked over your other games briefly; you can talk yourself in circles around anything you want.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:58 am
by Korlash
But essentially, the only real game you've looked into in any great detail is the one where I played with Singer right?
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:02 am
by DarthYoshi
Day Two, Vote Count the First
Korlash (3): quadz08, Zdenek, iStark
quadz08 (3): Korlash, hiplop, Junpei
Not Voting (3): PeregrineV, riceballtail, pappums rat
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and 5 to no-lynch.
The deadline is currently set for noon PDT (GMT-7) on Thursday, April 19.
As ever, any questions or concerns, please let me know.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:02 am
by quadz08
Welp. I jsut went back and looked at it again, since you were clearly getting at something, and you were town that game. My apologies for misremembering.
If I didn't have a guilty on you, I'd probably unvote. But seeing as how I do, it's all fairly academic at this point.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:13 am
by Korlash
For us yeah, I suppose it is. I already know you're lying but now know the reasons you stated for 'not trying to build a wagon one me' were based on a non-truth. we could go about this all day with me tearing apart your fakeclaim and you spouting numbers... Like I said, this was going to be 'fun'... *sigh*
The game sorta looses it's appeal when your actions start becoming 'academic'... that's the only real reason I would want to see you hang today, just so tomorrow's activities don't get cemented in stone. Well that and lynching scum is always better than a mislynch, but honestly you're dead either way I just don't like the idea of us playing into your hands.
Yoshi wrote:As ever, any questions or concerns, please let me know.
I'm concerned I may be purchasing the wrong sort of cat litter. I mean, with two of the little buggers I obviously pick up the multi-cat, but I feel like fresh scent might provide the same level of comfort but add in a pleasing aroma as well...
Do me (and all the other people with cat allergies out there) a favor and get a dog instead. ~DY
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:26 am
by quadz08
I messed up when I claimed, by not checking my memories. Fair enough. What's done is done. That still doesn't change the fact that I have a guilty on you; period, end of story.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:54 am
by Riceballtail
If there's even a vig at all, I think they should come forward now. This resolves both this dilemma of who's telling the truth, and gives scum two possible targets (quadz/korlash + vig) and makes for a more probable doc protect. We also should probably start directing the NK too, since we don't have much room for error at this point.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:01 am
by quadz08
I definitely think that claiming the V2V shot would be a good idea if it was, in fact, made by a vig. If the vig took a different shot, it implies they were roleblocked, and thus should not claim. (We don't know if the hypothetical RB is scum or town aligned, if it's town aligned, we're revealing a PR unnecessarily. And if it's a scum-aligned RB, they don't know that their target was a vig unless he claims thus.)
??!?!? It was fairly certain a wagon would form on me immediately and almost assured that I would be lynched...
Based on this, and the quadz result, I will vote Korlash.
However, if Korlash is town, then quadz is scum.
If Korlash is scum, then quadz is scum or town.
@Quadz- You need to use your rolecoppiness on a random person, who will verify that you correctly named their abilities. This won't completely clear you as town, but it will help verify the veracity of your ability.
If the same person you cop dies, I will suspect you as scum who killed them so your results could not be verified.
This only applies if Korlash flips scum.
Vote: Korlash
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:06 am
by Riceballtail
No vig don't claim, because it probably doesn't exist. Afraid that nobody claiming vig is going to ruin your fake result perhaps?
Your fears condemn you.
VOTE:Quads
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:46 am
by hiplop
even quadz posts seem to have him forget he has a guilty on korlash
it just doesnt feel right, almost certain korlash is truthful in this case
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:55 am
by PeregrineV
↑hiplop wrote:even quadz posts seem to have him forget he has a guilty on korlash
it just doesnt feel right, almost certain korlash is truthful in this case
So you think quadz is lying? That will get him lynched if Korlash flips town.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:56 am
by quadz08
RBT, I fail to see how a lack of vig claim invalidates my result in any way, shape, or form.
Alright Mr Rat, which will it be? And a why, if you please.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:07 am
by Riceballtail
↑quadz08 wrote:RBT, I fail to see how a lack of vig claim invalidates my result in any way, shape, or form.
And that's why I can't believe your claim either.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:30 am
by Junpei
Both are at L-1?'
Quadz: fullclaim; lets see it.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:45 am
by Zdenek
Can we please not be the dumb town that doesn't lynch the person on whom there is a claimed guity investigation?
Anyone voting for Quadz needs to take a hard stance on Korlash in their next post and needs to say exactly what they think Quadz' scum motivation is for claiming the guilty on Korlash
~DY