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↑ Apple Jack wrote:
1. because it is something that scum can do also. Scum can claim they have a gut scum read on someone and push a lynch and than say OMG look it's town of me to do this...

2. meta reasoning and a lie.... yeah town would not need to make up a false reason to lynch someone, but scum would... plus shotty used to be (maybe still is) one of the worst VI's in the history of mafiascum. his meta is probably crap and he has probably had his fair share of mis-lynches cause he is that easy to mis-lynch.

1) Oh so essentially you're using WIFOM so your point is null

2) It wasn't a lie, I didn't understand the flavor and therefore was confused. I admitted I was wrong about that

@Derpy:

My "case" on d3f3nd3r was that he wasn't contributing or committing to any reads (see 210, 236, 275, 287).

I don't think I posted anything substantive on my current read on drmy until 447.

Just to clarify... you're saying that since I have two different players that I'd be willing to see join Phil in the death-match, I'm scum or dumbtown??

@Fitz

your vote on Dr was scummy because you voted onto a bandwagon with nothing to back up the vote itself, only the unvote.

@Matt

your "scum slip" or w/e you think you have extracted from Dr you don't. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. the only things that stick out from the hate-fest between you and Dr is that your voting him for being a miller combined with the ":/" he used when he claimed which is absolutely null.

I'll have to reread why Fitz wants Derpy dead because Fitz's posting style and narration are a pain in the ass to go through, but I got he thinks Whisper + Noob are town which makes me feel slightly better about him.

↑ Code_X wrote:Though just quickly. Something bugs me ..

Derpy you said

↑ Apple Jack wrote:
My Vote on Code is staying until I see something of value come from him.

I said

↑ Code_X wrote:Um. I've not a lot to say. Need to re-read really. I do hate day ones!

Then in 253 you've done an about turn and voted Fitz/Defender

Was that one line really enough to move your vote?

I really don't like this post. It's a play on Semantics. Derpy did a re-evaluation and decided to vote 2 people he thought looked like scum. People tend to aggrandize their suspicions only to realize there are better targets and/or there suspicions weren't that deep after all. There is no reason that Code's lack of content should limit Derpy's scumhunting or voting.




In case no one sheeps this, I'm going to be voting between HavingFitz and Defender, I'm not voting derpy. (Of course I'll be hoping Phil gets the boot at the end)

OK...having a look at Derpy...

First off, wtf is he voting me?

The 1st reason provided is in Post 253 where you place your vote on me based on my activity level over the 4th of july holiday period and state that you know I'm capable of more if I was town. So basically you vote is based on activity level and meta....and we have never played together before that I am aware of. So one crap reason and one fabricated/unsubstatianted reason. That is scummy.

The 2nd reason provided is my lack of willingness to take a stand. What are you basing willingness on? Another intangible tell that you've concocted based on your gut. Or is it tangible? Is it based on having votes in play? How many times votes have been switched? WTF are you basing on? Are you a fan of tunneling?

Finally...in Post 281 you close off with the reasoning that The signs of life comment sounds like an effort to push a lynch on someone based on the frequency of their posts (again). Everyone knows this is not indicative of scum or town. It is however scummy to push tells that are not indicative of scum or town (ie Derpy is scummy). I've giving reasons for my activity level leading up to your 1st reason. As for whether or not I care about scum hunting...you are in no position to assume what I do or do not think in regards to scum hunting. Everyone scum hunts differently and every scum tries to hide their scumminess differently. Your way is not necessarily the right way (unless you have a 100% success rate as town...doubtful) and your suspicions seem in large part to be based strictly on your opinion. Not on actions or comments themselves (because if those were clear more people would agree with you) but rather based on the fact because you choose to interpret those actions or comments as scummy. You might as well just say based on gut with every suspicion you assign because that's all they seem to be based on. I also note that when you made this comment both your votes were on 2 of the 3 players who had votes not in play (me and D3f). Seriously....your scum rational is pants. Were Phillamon or matias scumhunting at this time?

And now of course there are the added suspicions you are pushing based on my hammer of Phil. At least the hammer is tangible. Regarding my hammer and your comments in Post 412:

1. My point stands...he had time to make three posts after he was put at L-1...he had time to claim. No claim = his bad.

2. You don't have to buy my excuse but you can feel free to kiss my ass. Anyone who has played in more than a few games with me (of which I assume you are not...unless you are an Alt) knows that I keep my own running track of votecounts. I do not typically pay attention to the mod's vc's and I do not compare mine to the mod's unless I have reason to. I did not notice my count was different from his other than in the VC's where he had me listed improperly as I point out to him in Post 286 and Post 281 in Post 196. And HTH do you know whether I am observant or not? for the most part I think that is a true statement but I question your ability to know it. Back to the accidental hammer...it's the first time I've done that in my 3+ years on this site but as my intent was to lynch Phil....I'm not too bothered about it.

On that note...Hey Phil! You can still post and vote until your deathmatch. Now's your chance to redeem yourself.

3. Your opinion. I do not disagree entirely...but if a player is at L-1 for almost 2 days and has ample opportunity to claim...that's on him...no one requires permission to claim. And I did see mafia's coment about hammering and claiming but as I had the votecount at L-2 and not L-1 I was not bothered about putting my own vote down. I will say that if I hadn't missed Code's vote on Phil I would have delayed hammering him until he could claim.

4. I did not see your comments wrt inte in your "spoiler" at the time I made the observation.

And how have my reactions since I hammered Phil not been what you would expect from town?

Dery's case on me is crap and based on no substance...in fact the focus of it appears to based on lack of substance. I'll look at his gameplay that doesn't involve me when I get the chance.

: Your play in Quack Mafia (you were town) seems different enough to your play here that I'm suspecting you're scum now. Why are you so much more defensive/reactionary in this game compared to Quack Mafia?

: Are you planning on contributing or are you satisfied with your vote on Phil as "enough" for today?
: Can you guys get some votes out??

if you had unlimited votes, who would you vote for right now?

Checking in from my phone real fast. I'll answer and re-read later but I just noticed the last part of fitz's post.

My case is crap?

You aren't and have not scumhunted all game. You have spent more time trying to prove my case is crap than actually scum hunting. You make a blanket statement saying that 1 of the people voting you is most likely scum (which is always derp town or scum who has no way to dig themselves out of a hole) and when inte votes you your reaction was horrible.

And yes, I've played with you before and yes I know your meta. That's why I'm confident in my read on you. Deal with it big boy.

↑ mafia-n00b wrote:

@drmy

: Your play in Quack Mafia (you were town) seems different enough to your play here that I'm suspecting you're scum now. Why are you so much more defensive/reactionary in this game compared to Quack Mafia?

@d3f

: Are you planning on contributing or are you satisfied with your vote on Phil as "enough" for today?

@Code_X, Phillammon

: Can you guys get some votes out??

Sure.

VOTE: whispersilk

↑ Apple Jack wrote:Checking in from my phone real fast. I'll answer and re-read later but I just noticed the last part of fitz's post.

My case is crap?

You aren't and have not scumhunted all game. You have spent more time trying to prove my case is crap than actually scum hunting. You make a blanket statement saying that 1 of the people voting you is most likely scum (which is always derp town or scum who has no way to dig themselves out of a hole) and when inte votes you your reaction was horrible.

And yes, I've played with you before and yes I know your meta. That's why I'm confident in my read on you. Deal with it big boy.

Derpy, did you read the links I posted, if so what conclusion did you come to? I think the fact that fitz is defending himself is towny, not scummy.

I don't see derp-scum. I think you're both town. Start scum hunting for realz. Holiday is over.

↑ mafia-n00b wrote:D3f wagon is bigger, so I'm here. If drmy gets bigger, I'll hop.

Yeah...so size really matters?

If you'll move based on size of a wagon, something's wrong.

Dr is not sticking, so I'll look at the other wagons when I get home.

wanting to get scumreads lynched isn't scummy in of itself

I'm going to wait up for a VC, but at the moment I think it would be worth my using my vote on Derpy or Whisper, or possibly inte.

Curious why all the Whisper hate.

same wtf

Gut.

But, also I don't the like way she has sat on Defender since about page 6. Very little content like posts since then - which I am also guilty of I am aware of this.

Has numerous town reads and then calls out others for a lack of scum hunting.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Curious why all the Whisper hate.

Agreed

@ whisper, haven't seen your links. Will check when I get to a pc

@ inte, not answering that question. Let's just say I find lots of people scummy, but I know they can't all be scum.

↑ mafia-n00b wrote:

@drmy

: Your play in Quack Mafia (you were town) seems different enough to your play here that I'm suspecting you're scum now. Why are you so much more defensive/reactionary in this game compared to Quack Mafia?

During that game I was replacement and was less busy at that time (something like 5 games, not 12).
I can't concentrate much as I used to, and the idiotic votes on me is bewildering.
Is that all you have as a reason for you to vote me?

MattP wrote:Dr is not sticking, so I'll look at the other wagons when I get home.

Nice opportunism there.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
Nice opportunism there.

Yeah me going back and forth with you for like 50 posts with noone moving their votes to you and deciding it's futile is opportunistic, you're a fucking wizard.

If it makes you feel better I'll see to it that you won't make it to endgame.

↑ Apple Jack wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Curious why all the Whisper hate.

Agreed

@ whisper, haven't seen your links. Will check when I get to a pc

@ inte, not answering that question. Let's just say I find lots of people scummy, but I know they can't all be scum.

is there a reason for that?

it IS a real question and it WILL give me information if you answer it properly

↑ MattP wrote:

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:
Nice opportunism there.

Yeah me going back and forth with you for like 50 posts with noone moving their votes to you and deciding it's futile is opportunistic, you're a fucking wizard.

If it makes you feel better I'll see to it that you won't make it to endgame.

are you a dummy?

of course he is not making it to endgame, hes has a miller claim and it benefits town to lynch millers, no matter how towny the person is

you're tunneling on a stupid lynch right now, we need information from other players

↑ inte wrote:
are you a dummy?

of course he is not making it to endgame, hes has a miller claim and it benefits town to lynch millers, no matter how towny the person is

you're tunneling on a stupid lynch right now, we need information from other players

Yeah yeah, when I get home