Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Robert2424]

I don't think you understand the Cards thing.

[Baby Spice]

Why are you saying this?

Why are you asking this?

[Lurker]

Baby Spice, are you Shadoweh? I miss her...

Robert, does watcher even definitely mean town? Isn't scum watcher possible?

I'd say watcher would mean 95% of the time town. But that doesn't Clear him cause he got a property card to say, he's a Watcher Night 1. Along with any other abliltys he may have. I've Never Seen Scum with a Watcher role if that is what your saying, though on the other hand it could be a convinat lie for the moment. There is no proof right now its true or not. I Mod games and wouldn't make scum able to have the watcher ability. But the powers are in the property's as it says in the beginning of the thread. So, in this game everything goes.

Pal, like I keep pointing out, roles are randomized. Mod said this. What was the purpose of this post?

Most of the time watcher = town

If the mod kept to giving town town roles and scum scum roles that watcher would be town.

However we don't know that, thus the summary of the argument.

Why are you saying this?

To try and sum up what she said.

[Lurker]

Baby Spice, are you Shadoweh? I miss her...

Robert, does watcher even definitely mean town? Isn't scum watcher possible?

I'd say watcher would mean 95% of the time town. But that doesn't Clear him cause he got a property card to say, he's a Watcher Night 1. Along with any other abliltys he may have. I've Never Seen Scum with a Watcher role if that is what your saying, though on the other hand it could be a convinat lie for the moment. There is no proof right now its true or not. I Mod games and wouldn't make scum able to have the watcher ability. But the powers are in the property's as it says in the beginning of the thread. So, in this game everything goes.

Pal, like I keep pointing out, roles are randomized. Mod said this. What was the purpose of this post?

Most of the time watcher = town

If the mod kept to giving town town roles and scum scum roles that watcher would be town.

However we don't know that, thus the summary of the argument.

Why are you saying this?

To try and sum up what he said.

[Jake from State Farm]

who says most of the time watcher is town?

[Jal]

Watcher doesn't mean town. We need lay off of that. Unfortunately, watcher is a horrible role to direct. Scum can simply visit someone else. Unlike tracker who must be very specific and can catch caught scum hoping they wouldn't choose that partner, a watcher is a prime target to roleblock and redirect. There's probably little chance to verify. Plus, he's claiming one shot, which would practically waste his role anyway.

So don't count on being able to

reliably

verify his role or something tonight, if that's what you're hoping to achieve by not voting Lurker.

I have no idea how exactly bastard this game is, so roles may well indeed be very randomized regardless of alignment. I like to think that the game has started off pretty balanced though. There may be roles that can *steal* people's cards, or switch them. There is definitely some mechanic where cards switch hands, I bet. That is where the bastardness probably lies and why the game is labeled as swingy.

[Jal]

@Lurker

, why didn't you claim your card with the watcher role right away? Why only the railroad?

[Jal]

@Mehdi

:

Since it sounds similar to the role pm I got and would just recommend you look at yours and compare it to how he claimed.

How does his claim sound similar tot he role pm you got?

[Jal]

@Baby Spice

Well, actually, as I said, you would still need to go check on what I posted, so the fact that you wouldn't seems strange. Simply, if you don't take what I said at face value, you wont take me providing anything to support it at face value. That you still haven't bothered to check, that you must be relying on someone else's checking without actually saying so speaks badly for you.

Five minutes for those four. Well a lot less actually, I checked what the most recent games were and looked them up in the notes I had made. half a minute more like. But none of that changes the basic point. Had I provided the lot you would still need to check it for yourself or take all of it on face value.

When you bring statistics into the game, you bring proof. Proof which would take 5 minutes of your time, which you refused repeatedly to bring to the table. You keep trying to shift the burden of proof back onto me and make me scummy for it, but it doesn't work that way. If you had you notes right there and it took

less than

five minutes, there is no rational reason for you to decline putting everything down either at the time you posted your statistics or when I first asked for it.

You keep saying strange. Strange doesn't denote anything. It's like you're too afraid to upfront say scummy. Fact is, demanding you to bring proof to your claim isn't "strange." It's rational, and I'm not the only one who was waiting for you to provide it and wondering why it was so difficult for you to do so.

I'm not trying to hide behind stats. You're trying to make it look like that's all I'm using, whereas what I did was decide to use a simple fact to decide where I would start to look for scum.

Here's the problem with this:

I was the second vote on Lurker, which effectively started the wagon rolling. You had to read my "bull shit misrepresentation" post

first

before two more people hopped on. If you felt my post and vote were scummy and bullshit, you didn't need a statistic.

It

doesn't make sense

for you to look at the

wagon first

and THEN look at who is scum on it.

And that is why you're still a scummy scum.

It's strange that you decided that of "72% of mini games will have at least one scum on the first wagon to get to four votes judging by the vote count posts" and "Lord Mhork would be one of those easy targets", one was acceptable at face value and one wasn't. If you didn't believe me on one surely you would not believe me on the other. But it appears that that's what happened.

One is a statistic which you used as a basis to vote and one isn't. I'll let you figure it which is which and how they're different.

[Jal]

The fact that it comes from a card and that everybody has cards to my knowledge. It's basically a scaled-down 100 Boxes with the boxes already open to start.

Okay, but you said the way Lurker worded it was strange and that's why you aren't unvoting Lurker.

[StrangerCoug]

It is true that the way Lurker worded his claim is not giving me reason to unvote him, but that I found it strange is not why I'm not unvoting him; it's the fact that he claims it is card-based. The talk about "powers come from cards" is getting tiring.

[Jal]

So you don't believe that some cards give powers?

How do you explain several people talking about cards saying they don't do anything for now? Based just on that, I think one can make the assumption cards can have powers or do something. Also, I don't see the point in claiming vanilla townie and then giving yourself a power like that/

[Jal]

Also, I don't see the point in claiming vanilla townie and then giving yourself a power like that/

Even if you think he's scum, it most probably means he's taking a cue from the cards he or his partners already have.

[Lurker]

@Lurker

, why didn't you claim your card with the watcher role right away? Why only the railroad?

Well, I didn't think that the card would involve my role at the time (Just my power), plus I didn't see a need to since no one else had claimed a power role. (Also, Who Would I watch? Early in the DP, nobody needs watched more then any other person at the time.)

[Jal]

Why not just claim the two cards right away but not the power then?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

~UberNinja replaces Nobody Special~

[Jal]

Howdy.

Please don't leave, Jake.

[Jake from State Farm]

Where would I be going?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh shit, I see why you said that.

mod, will you consider finding a different replacement? If not I may request replacement

[Jal]

Jake, you're one of the best players nooo.

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk about that

[Jal]

Well, I enjoy you being in the game. I think it's the avatar.

[UberNinja]

I'm replacing Nobody Special. I'll probably be a little slow on catching up so bear with me.

kthx

[UberNinja]

btw, sup Jal. You scum? <3

[Jal]

Thankfully not.

Are you? Nobody Special sure was a lurkin'.