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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:47 am

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Question: given the following evidence, does anyone seriously suspect BMQ of being scum?


1) Provided us with a completely accurate list of (remaining) role names on Day 2. This included correctly identifying roles that wouldn't be expected, such as Barrin and possibly Urza (both now known scum), as well as correctly choosing which four of the MANY legends available were still in play (Squee, Braids, Kamahl, Gerrard).
2) Claims to have a win condition that involves Braids being dead. If scum, redundant; if town, an irritation to all invovled.
3) Also claims to be immune to nightkills and has volunteered to take shots tonight. If scum, of course he's not worried about dying tonight (because then Bamboo is telling the truth and can't get a second kill result).
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to attempting to lynch Bamboo, he has also defended TWO roles who we lynched as scum (Barrin and Urza); since one of those was SK (and hence would be unknown to him as scum unless DGB's mason crap was true), I'm leaning towards him being obsessed with making sure Braids was killed (and protecting his win condition) instead of actually doing what was best for the town as a whole or actively defending scum-buddies.
5) As claimed, is highly unlikely to be responsible for a decapitation death.


Yes, he's probably still trying to get Babmoo killed with a no-lynch today, but that's the hand he was apparently dealt. If he's scum then we need Zu alive to prevent Brian's win tonight, but I simply can't reconcile his being the last scum standing with the decapitation last night.

If you both don't think that Brian is scum, would you and Zu be willing to go with my plan to both target me tonight? My theory is that if I'm blocked and killed in the same night then I die. As long as we're not expecitng Brian to mess with the results by beign scum, then I think it would reveal who the scum is once and for all, Brian's personal win condition be damned.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:11 am

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Uh, and if blocking you doesn't stop the unkillability? And two pro-town people which are unkillable are a bit too strng, don't you think?
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:40 am

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Assuming zu_Faul is scum: I am trying to get Bamboomancer killed tonight so that I can fulfill my win condition. If we lynch him today, then zu_Faul will be unable to kill either of us, and I'm not sure what happens. I guess we can just as easily lynch him tomorrow, which I'm fine with. Even if Bamboo dies, if the town wins, he wins.

Assuming Bamboomancer is scum: zu_Faul is the person who can be killed tonight. Thus, we lynch Bamboomancer tomorrow and I get my win condition.
zu_Faul wrote:And two pro-town people which are unkillable are a bit too strng, don't you think?
I do. This setup doesn't appear to be very balanced.
Vyolence wrote:En route to attempting to lynch Bamboo, he has also defended TWO roles who we lynched as scum (Barrin and Urza); since one of those was SK (and hence would be unknown to him as scum unless DGB's mason crap was true), I'm leaning towards him being obsessed with making sure Braids was killed (and protecting his win condition) instead of actually doing what was best for the town as a whole or actively defending scum-buddies.
Other than me thinking that Braids is scum, I couldn't tell you one way or another who the bad guys are. I defended them not because I thought they were town, but because I was more sure of Bamboo being scum. Who wouldn't try to eliminate the evil they know rather than the possible evil that has doubt? Also, I've never supported lynching inactives, I think they should be replaced (which is why I was against the lynch of FalloutGirl).

I will be content with either lynching Bamboomancer or nobody at all. Ironically, I do believe zu_Faul to be most likely to be scum at this point, but if we lynch him today,
I don't win
. I know that you guys aren't inclined to want to help me out after all I've done (and I don't blame you), but this is the road I'm taking.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:15 am

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BrianMcQueso wrote:I defended [FoG and TINM/DGB] not because I thought they were town, but because I was more sure of Bamboo being scum.
Which is why I'm not holding that against you. I was just throwing it out there as something the vote/lynch record turns up.


zu_Faul wrote:Uh, and if blocking you doesn't stop the unkillability?
Then I still get a nightmare PM from Braids and can report that information. The first time I was hit with one, it killed me and I was told so. The second time, I was not told anything about being killed. If this one fails to kill me, then I'm pretty certain that Bamboo's clear.

Also: no one dies in that situation unless Brian is actually scum. No actual loss.

zu_Faul wrote:And two pro-town people which are unkillable are a bit too strng, don't you think?
Yes, which is why I'm assuming that if a roleblocker exists (and you're the only one who knows that for sure) that he could interfere with their unkillability. A stretch? Perhaps. Although Brian is only immune to
night
kills, apparently. He can seemingly still be lynched -- like, say, by someone who knew Bamboo to be innocent (although we lost most of those roles on Night 2).

You claimed to have blocked Alexander last night, so there was nothing stopping Bamboo from doing what he said he did (target you). You received no nightmare PM?

While I'm asking you questions, you never answered why you couldn't/didn't put the (then) final vote on No Lynch in 438.

If you don't want to hit me then you can both hit Brian and test
him
. I think the important thing right now for the town is for the two of you to agree on a single target. Zu blocking Bamboo accomplishes nothing except
maybe
preventing a death (which I honestly don't think will be all that useful at this point, hence my volunteering for martyrdom), and Zu blocking either me or Brian (assuming he's being honest about this) is pointless unless we're being killed by Bamboo.

Personally, I say double-teaming BmQ is the way to go for several reasons, but it's not my call and Bamboo has absolutely no reason to believe that he will tell the truth about a nightmare should he survive regardless.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:08 am

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If I no lynch, I'm roleblocking Zu_Faul. I haven't used a roleblock right now and I'm almost sure he's scum, so if you're fine with that, then I'll vote no lynch.
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It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:40 pm

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Bamboomancer wrote:If I no lynch, I'm roleblocking Zu_Faul. I haven't used a roleblock right now and I'm almost sure he's scum, so if you're fine with that, then I'll vote no lynch.
What the hell is that supposed to accomplish, other than keeping you alive?
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:30 pm

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If you hadn't noticed, I'm a bit limited on what I can accomplish, Vy, so you tell me what I have left in my repitoire.
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Okay, it's not BABOOM. It's not BAMBOOM.
It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:25 pm

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No, I had noticed. I'm pretty sure there's nothing your Upick can do that would actually help us at this point.

Except leave evidence of you not killing someone.

If BMQ or ZF dies tonight and I (since I have no reason to lie about this) get a nightmare PM, then you will have been cleared and the lynch is a cakewalk. If I
don't
get one, then I have to decide which is more likely: BMQ is scum who killed Zu while Zu blocked you; or you're scum who lied about agreeing to send me a nightmare. Note that this latter situation covers both potential deaths, while the former only covers Zu's death. There is a
slight
chance that you're telling the truth but decided to send BMQ a nightmare that ended up roleblocking him and allowing Zu to kill him, but that's putting a lot of faith in someone who wants you dead no matter what you do.

If you die tonight, then at least Brian will finally cooperate on a lynch for once. (Yes, if he's scum then he wins regardless, but if he is scum then he has earned this win by now IMO.)

If no one dies tonight, then we're pretty much in the same situation as we are today, spinning in circles.

Here's an interesting question, however:
how can you be sure that the nightmare you send tonight will be a roleblocker
?
Bamboomancer wrote:I don't know how much control I have over my role.
Bamboomancer wrote:I TOLD you that I didn't know what would happen, and obviously now I can't stop you, but I'm telling you you're making a mistake. I knew it was a bad idea, and I have no control over my role.
Do those look familiar? Those came from before you sent me the first nightmare and immediately after I revealed that it would have killed me, respectively. Are you saying that you've suddenly developed a method to control what your nightmares do?

If so, then I'm ready to lynch you right now because you clearly would have always had that ability.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:46 am

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I didn't got a Nightmare PM.
And I thought it was pbvious, but: I can't put the lynching vote on someone. Minor vote restriction, if you don't need one :/
Bamboo isn't in the best shape at the moment, in my opinion and I think he is struggling in putting forward reasons for not sending a nightmare to someone. Maybe his ability is limited (like the 1 shot cop, or the 1 shot extra kill we've already seen)? Maybe I'm just too paranoid.

Problem is: I'm away from Saturday, 18th February until Sunday 26th Febraury. This doesn't really fit this game and I'm sorry :oops: .
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:03 am

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For the record, "no lynch" only has one vote on it right now, as I unvoted.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:42 am

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Oh, I forgot.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:03 am

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Zu Faul is either lying or his protection keeps my nightmare from getting to him because I DID send a nightmare at him. Vy, if you want my nightmare so badly tonight, you've got it. It'll be a serra angel and I'm not even going to suggest what it might do so I guess you're on your own there.
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Okay, it's not BABOOM. It's not BAMBOOM.
It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:48 am

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Bamboomancer wrote:Zu Faul is either lying or his protection keeps my nightmare from getting to him
By "protection" I'm assuming you mean whatever immunity to investigation a GF might have.

Well, I might as well finish the no-lynch. Hopefully(?) Zu will be able to get a choice in.

I have a strong feeling that no one will die tonight, but if someone does then at least this game will definitely finish tomorrow.

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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:39 am

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No lynch dies.

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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:13 am

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4 alive yet again. And they all rejoiced.

3 to lynch.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:38 am

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I sent Serra Angel at Vy. What'd it do, Vy?

ZF, who was your target, for posterity's sake?
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Okay, it's not BABOOM. It's not BAMBOOM.
It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:31 pm

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It didn't (attempt to) kill me. The words "protective aura" were mentioned.

So the way I see it, we have a problem.

The scum is either BmQ or Zu.

Even if it's Zu, BmQ will be reluctant to cast the lynching vote, as his "Braids must be dead" condition will cause him to lose the game.

This means we cannot lynch Zu unless he votes himself for some stupid reason.


Unless BmQ is willing to lose the game for the good of the rest of the town, we have three choices:

1) Lynch Bamboo and hope like hell that BMQ is really immune to night kills.
2) Lynch BMQ and hope like hell that he's scum, or else Zu wins by killing Bamboo tonight.
3) Bamboo and I put two votes on Zu and we wait until deadline for the lynch to happen. This will be a long three weeks.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:32 pm

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Of course, options 1 and 3 should include "hope like hell BmQ is town" as well.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:11 pm

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we need to realize that I can probably (not definately) roleblock tonight.

so just because we lynch doesn't mean we lose.
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Okay, it's not BABOOM. It's not BAMBOOM.
It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:13 am

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True... but I'd really rather not risk it if we don't have to.

If it comes to that point, I think a blue creature is in order.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:15 am

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I was going to go with a wall of shadows.
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It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:36 am

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A Wall (ahem:
defender
) would have been my original suggestion, but I thought it would be tough for the mod to choose whether to make it roleblock or to protect.

But it's your call. I have no real interest in lynching you today, so I plan on you being alive tonight.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:04 am

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vote: Zu_Faul
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:19 am

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I will vote for ZF as soon as he posts and reveals his choice from last night, for posterity's sake. If I have to make a choice tonight, I want as MUCH information as possible
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Okay, it's not BABOOM. It's not BAMBOOM.
It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:00 am

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I didn't block tonight.
Wow seems like you want to see me dead quite quickly. I'm not surfe who of you is the scum fueling this wagon. It wouldn't make any sense for BMQ to vote me as long as Bamboo is still alive. If he told the truth.
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