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In post 375, TheIrishPope wrote:Oh sorry, what was the question?

I asked if English was your first language.

In post 377, Shawn wrote:Thor. I have been flipflopping on my read on him throughout this game. But now I think that he is firmly scum. Not reading the thread isnt scummy in its own right, but apparently the the most objective scumtell to Thor ever. He never explains why not reading the thread promotes a scum objective.

I specifically did this.
Twice.
Do you need me to quote it again to find it?
This is one way it's scummy - it allows you to blather about whatever and never allow yourself to be held accountable because 'lol, didn't read'.
Also, as I stated, you're acting like your opinion has any bearing at all...when you're basing it off stuff that hasn't happened. There's a reason why misreps and lying are scummy - and this is functional that by a different name being done in a scummy way. You aren't scumhunting - you're lynch hunting, and that *is* scummy.

In post 379, Sakura Hana wrote:Just wondering, Thor why are you so eager to end the day early?

Why shouldn't I be?

In post 386, Ms Marangal wrote:Shawn making conclusions like this and dropping his reads scarily quick is probably another sign that he is town and not scum. I don't see how "Irish looking dumb" makes him town, he could very well be scum who is looking dumb so people will overlook him.

All you are saying here is 'Shawn changes reads faster than I do - that makes him town'
I don't get it.

In post 392, Ms Marangal wrote:His reasons for scum reads, and reasons for town reads are somewhat understandable though I don't agree with them. He's also consistent with his strongest read, which is, IMO inherently town. I'm really hard-pressed to find any scum motivations behind his posts.

Do you find town motivation there?
Also, seriously, he is consistently making up things and lying about what people say when he states his reasons for reads on him. Literally nothing he has posted in thread is functional nor can he be held to any opinion he has made.
He is active lurking and lynch hunting, and being open about claiming scum, and you're acting like that's a good thing and he's town.
The hell?
Justify this.

In post 392, Ms Marangal wrote:If he was scum, why would he protect commando dude like that? should he get lynched and end up scum, Shawn would likely be the next target and it would be insta-lose for them if they are the team.

Yes, if Shawn is scum Commandodude is basically assured town.
No one is surprised by this.

In post 401, Shawn wrote:Who do you think cares about this lynch? Thor? I dont think so because from the beginning, he has only pressured me and he has only talked about me, and has not talked in any serious way about any other candidate in my opinion.

Well, as long as we ignore me and the Irish wagon, and also my push on MM - yeah, if we ignore that then I have only talked about you.

In post 401, Shawn wrote:Look at what he did just now, came back to much activity, posted 2 or a bit more useless posts and Smurfed off again, didnt take into account what I said as a whole, but preferred to attack a small part of my play, which is what I said about Irish. Its easy to say that 'im not reading the thread' but difficult to say how that advances a scum agenda and what I have been doing to do that. And he didnt.

1. What *did* you say as a whole?
2. I *did* explain how it was scummy...you still aren't reading, and are still acting like you are, and that is still scummy.

In post 402, Shawn wrote:Vote flipflopping is a towntell. Right MM/thor/other dudes?

It's a playstyle tell.

In post 413, Sakura Hana wrote:Yeah, the thing bothering me about Thor is that he wants to lynch something ASAP, if he's scum, he's denying town more discussion which is a good move, i don't see how a town would want to lynch someone fast unless they're 100% sure of their alignment, which is kinda hard to be sure of at this point unless you're scum.

Spoken like someone who has not bothered to see if Thor only does this when scum, or if he does it as town and scum.
You have spotted a playstyle tell - now you're supposed to research it to see if it means anything at all.
Hint: it doesn't.

In post 430, Commandodude wrote:I have to say, Thor still looks kinda scummy to me, his vote on shawn looks kinda quickhammer-ish, although I'm not sure, most IC's wouldn't make that kind of obvious mistake....Or is he relying on us thinking that way?

I actually openly stated my hope that it would lead to a lynch - so I'm also clearly playing that wifom card as well.
Also, we have had multiple L-1 votes this game.
Hint: they're not inherently scummy, you need to L-1 a scum vote even more than a scum needs to L-1 a town vote.
The question is my motivation and how I went about placing the L-1. You're looking at a book cover and trying to tell me the ending. It's not a good way to handle a tell.

Also, everyone harping about my L-1 and desire for a quick lynch, allow me to play a little bit of "here's why Shawn has claimed scum"

Thor tried to push a lynch aggressively - he is scummy for this because...speed...scary.
Shawn *also* tried to push a lynch aggressively...when he did this he *lied* about what IrishPope had said in order to place his vote.
Then, when he was called on lying he said 'no, I didn't lie, quote it to prove it!'
Then when it was quoted and PROVEN that he had lied, he said 'lawl, didn't read!' and voted the guy who caught him lying to push a bad vote and called him scum for having bad reasons to suspect him.
Then people called him town for doing that.
And the other person scum.
And the other person managed to remain slightly polite when talking to them.
And the game went on.

Let's lynch scum now, m'kay?

Oh, by the way, if there's no Doc.

MM needs looking at.
Commando will be basically assured town.
Irish will be as well.

Wait, why would MM need looking at if there's no doc?

And why would Commando and Irish be assured town

My apologies. It is quite a long story. You could say my first language was Mandarin, but I have long forgotten it. I learnt English, Spanish, and Italian practically simultaneously, so this is probably the reason why you doubt my English skills.

Thor665 wrote:Oh, by the way, if there's no Doc.

MM needs looking at.
Commando will be basically assured town.
Irish will be as well.

Why do you suspect MM?

Sakura, if there's no Doc, then there is a Cop or a Jailkeeper.

Well duh, i'm more worried about why Commando and you are assured town if there's no doc, i know all setup possibilities.

I'm assured town because I am town. Simple. No one here is voting for me because of the scum we are aware of (this excludes Shawn, an OMGUS vote).
I am not sure about Commando though. I think that, if we lynch Shawn, we can know Commandodude's alignment.

Im flipping town Thor, think about that for a second. Humor me and please think that Im mod confirmed town. Who is scum then?
100% confidence in a flip IMO is either
1. A bad player
2. Scum

Which one are you?
Your push on MM was, 'lol stop defending so many dudes'.

Well that's from YOUR point of view, what i want to know is the correlation of a missing doc and your assured alignments and the fact that MM needs to be looked at.

the "YOUR" on that post was directed at Irish btw

Wow, I offer up a clear and succinct and important post...and then they glom onto the post immediately thereafter, forget that it's associated with the post in front of it, and then run off in random directions with theories I can't even begin to grok.

@Irish
@Sakura

Ignore Post 452 - it's too much for you.
Go read Post 451 again, focus on that one. After you've mastered it I'll discuss 452 with you again.

In post 458, Shawn wrote:Im flipping town Thor, think about that for a second. Humor me and please think that Im mod confirmed town. Who is scum then?
100% confidence in a flip IMO is either
1. A bad player
2. Scum

Which one are you?
Your push on MM was, 'lol stop defending so many dudes'.

If you became mod confirmed town I'd lynch Irish - remember me wanting to lynch Irish?
I never said I had 100% confidence, but I certainly have higher than 33% confidence, which is substantially good enough. What percentage would you find acceptable t this stage? How about 57%? I'll go with 57%.

Also thanks for (again) saying I said something that I didn't, and then making up a question based around it.
Also, good job, yet again, dodging my request for you to provide a quote (Post 372, for those keeping track)

My push on MM had some deeper issues to it, but, yes, that was a major component. So...we're now agreeing I *did* have other pushes than just you...but that they were "generically bad" and so don't count?
Oh, right, you probably diidn't read so your earlier comments shouldn't be held against you when you present wrong facts.
Mah bad!

He doesn't even say I was wrong about calling him a liar in his push - he argues "other stuff"

He is scum people.
Take notes.

UNVOTE: Thor665
I'm really confused at the momment, imma need to look at everyone on isolation again.

In post 450, Thor665 wrote:

In post 386, Ms Marangal wrote:Shawn making conclusions like this and dropping his reads scarily quick is probably another sign that he is town and not scum. I don't see how "Irish looking dumb" makes him town, he could very well be scum who is looking dumb so people will overlook him.

All you are saying here is 'Shawn changes reads faster than I do - that makes him town'
I don't get it.

His changing reads thing strikes me as indecisive town.

In post 392, Ms Marangal wrote:His reasons for scum reads, and reasons for town reads are somewhat understandable though I don't agree with them. He's also consistent with his strongest read, which is, IMO inherently town. I'm really hard-pressed to find any scum motivations behind his posts.

Do you find town motivation there?

I obviously do if I don't see any scum motivation

Also, seriously, he is consistently making up things and lying about what people say when he states his reasons for reads on him. Literally nothing he has posted in thread is functional nor can he be held to any opinion he has made.

Don't see this

He is active lurking and lynch hunting, and being open about claiming scum, and you're acting like that's a good thing and he's town.
The hell?
Justify this.

Or this

In post 392, Ms Marangal wrote:If he was scum, why would he protect commando dude like that? should he get lynched and end up scum, Shawn would likely be the next target and it would be insta-lose for them if they are the team.

Yes, if Shawn is scum Commandodude is basically assured town.
No one is surprised by this.

and, if Shawn is town, Commando is also pretty obv town.

what I don't get though is how Irish is pretty conf. town, unless you are associating it with me flipping scum then

Also, why is everyone ignoring my case on Irish? some insight would be helpful, am i right?, am i wrong? why? X_X

Yay activity \o/

Thor, what can I say about me 'lying' other than the fact that I have absolutely no reason to do that as scum, dont you think I wouldve attacked his read on nekoko?
Like the stuff Im doing makes no sense from a scum perspective.
I am playing carelessly, but does that make me scum? Can you see my play as careless town?

Can I tell you why?
Thing is, the fad of "hating on Irish" kind of faded away, and no one is voting to lynch me because I am contributing correctly to the game and not fucking up.

Shawn, WIFOM can never ever ever ever be forgotten. I can't assume you are careless, and then dismiss you being scum. I have to think in every direction. This 83.3% is what holds my vote on you.

In post 455, TheIrishPope wrote:Sakura, if there's no Doc, then there is a Cop or a Jailkeeper.

In post 457, TheIrishPope wrote:I'm assured town because I am town. Simple. No one here is voting for me because of the scum we are aware of (this excludes Shawn, an OMGUS vote).
I am not sure about Commando though. I think that, if we lynch Shawn, we can know Commandodude's alignment.

So according to you, this is contributing? telling me something i already know, and claiming that you're assured town?

Fascinating

VOTE: TheIrishPope

Fascinating Irish, I WIFOM therefore im scum. Think about it. Is it scummy? OR ARE YOU BEING BRAINWASHED BY THOR!!!!
If you are sheeping Thor, just say so.

In post 470, Shawn wrote:If you are sheeping Thor, just say so.

He obviously is, look at how he sheeped me without providing much insigh of his own other than Agreeing with my logic.

In post 465, Ms Marangal wrote:His changing reads thing strikes me as indecisive town.

His "changing" reads are actually not all that changing.
Look at his votes and reasons therefore.
Yeah...

In post 465, Ms Marangal wrote:I obviously do if I don't see any scum motivation

If something isn't black that doesn't mean it is white.
Explain the town motivation.

In post 465, Ms Marangal wrote:Don't see this

Are you kidding me?
He and I had a discussion about it.
I flat out called it a lie and QUOTED THE PROOF and he didn't say anything other than 'oh...yeah...um...thor is scum!"
I caught him lying, called him scummy, and his "town response" is to decide that someone catching him lying and thinking he's scum has terrible reads?
Seriously, how are you okay with that?

It's this sort of blind defense which makes you the one who needs to go when he flips scum.

In post 465, Ms Marangal wrote:and, if Shawn is town, Commando is also pretty obv town.

How does that work?

In post 465, Ms Marangal wrote:what I don't get though is how Irish is pretty conf. town, unless you are associating it with me flipping scum then

I was associating it with Shawn flipping scum.
I kind of said as much. What confused you?
Go read my post again.

In post 467, Shawn wrote:Thor, what can I say about me 'lying' other than the fact that I have absolutely no reason to do that as scum, dont you think I wouldve attacked his read on nekoko?
Like the stuff Im doing makes no sense from a scum perspective.
I am playing carelessly, but does that make me scum? Can you see my play as careless town?

1. Again, you repeat the old saw of 'I have no reason to do this as scum' and ignore how I have described how you explicitly have reason to do this as scum and not as town.
2. Yes, it does.
3. You are maybe playing carelessly. You *are* playing false, and that's a world of difference. I cannot see you as careless town because I don't think careless town would lie - and even if they did lie, then I don't see why they would then say the person who caught them making up gak to try to push a lynch would have no reason to suspect them. that's actually a pretty huge reason to suspect someone, and is totally justified because even you agree it happened (even if MM doesn't...) which means...why am I strange for suspecting you?

4a. Also, this is now the third time you dodged my question and demand for your quote.
I'll just presume you're ducking it because it's another lie but you're scared to admit it.
Because "careless town" would be scared to admit they gakked up, whereas scum lying totally wouldn't try to hide that fact.

Shawn and Sakura now love each other. And share the same word, fascinating. Interesting. I thought scum didn't have daytalk
Sakura, what would you consider contribution? Everyone is claiming Town, that's the point of the game, so I don't see what's weird about me stating it.
Shawn, I am not saying you are scum. That's why I put a percentage. I am saying you look like scum, you act like scum, but I am open to different options.
I don't understand why you think I am sheeping Thor. He voted for his own reasons, and I voted for mine. Everyone voting for Shawn must be sheeping Thor, then? You make no sense.

So you caught me lying = you are town? That makes no sense
What is your question exactly? Why I lied?

Also

Because "careless town" would be scared to admit they gakked up, whereas scum lying totally wouldn't try to hide that fact.

I cant WIFOM but you can? Man that sucks

pedit: Reasons that are different from Thor's Irish?