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You fucking retards, unvote him ffs. His response to your case was alright. Just because he claimed doc doesn't make him scum.

I'd rather lynch Toomai but we don't have time. NC dies today or there will be a NL.

I can't believe this shit. The pros of keeping him alive outweigh the cons.

- Scum-acfan could no-kill to make himself look better, giving us a free lynch.
- Town-acfan could get killed at night and we don't have to worry about him.
- etc

Lynching him now would be a 50:50.

or scum could kill someone useless ofc.

Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

In post 450, GoodCopBadCop wrote:You fucking retards, unvote him ffs. His response to your case was alright. Just because he claimed doc doesn't make him scum.

I'd rather lynch Toomai but we don't have time. NC dies today or there will be a NL.

How does his response vindicate him at all? He spent all his time nitpicking fairly unimportant things in my case instead of addressing my main points. Furthermore, that list he posted is the only scumhunting he's done all game (and it's meager at that).

Him claiming doc does not make him scum, but it does not vindicate his scummy behavior.

I am not compromising on ac1983fan.

In post 451, GoodCopBadCop wrote:I can't believe this shit. The pros of keeping him alive outweigh the cons.

- Scum-acfan could no-kill to make himself look better, giving us a free lynch.
- Town-acfan could get killed at night and we don't have to worry about him.
- etc

Lynching him now would be a 50:50.

How the balls does that even make sense.

Why in gods green earth would scum ever kill a hypothetical town-ac1983fan?
Why dafuq would scum no-kill to make themselves look better?

You're inventing insane, completely unrealistic rationale to keep him alive.

In post 453, NicCage wrote:Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

I didn't see this coming.
What a shit ass reason to vote someone.
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@Hapa - How can you be so confident that he's scum?

You can lynch him tomorrow! If you doubt that he's scum, even just a little, keeping him alive to use up his claimed 1-shot is worth it.
He isn't going anywhere, you act like he has to die today or never.

In post 453, NicCage wrote:Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

Oh God the smell of opportunism here. Also Toomai too.

In post 456, GoodCopBadCop wrote:

In post 453, NicCage wrote:Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

I didn't see this coming.
What a shit ass reason to vote someone.
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@Hapa - How can you be so confident that he's scum?

Because he's both useless and displaying a scum mentality.

The only thing I can really say about Nic at this point is that he's being useless. It's a lurker lynch, and while I wouldn't mind that under normal circumstances, lynching scum is a higher priority.

In post 457, GoodCopBadCop wrote:You can lynch him tomorrow! If you doubt that he's scum, even just a little, keeping him alive to use up his claimed 1-shot is worth it.
He isn't going anywhere, you act like he has to die today or never.

You can lynch NC tomorrow! It's not like he's going anywhere.

You act like NC has to die today or never.

In post 409, Toomai wrote:Well I guess I'll go back to where I was then.

Vote: NicCage

That said, 1-Shot Doctor seems like a really weird claim to me. It's weak and unusual enough that it doesn't look like something that would be faked, but in the same way it's far easier to explain why he's not being killed (since if the claim is true the Mafia probably would like to keep him around for a while to keep suspicion high, as opposed to a full Doctor claim which would make everyone expect instant death).

In post 383, Toomai wrote:You have me convinced. I felt there was going to be at least one scum in the set of not-common-posters and the evidence seems legit.

Vote: ac1983fan

Both opportunistic, weak votes. I still don't understand why we're prioritizing NC over Toomai.

@Hapa - One's a claimed PR...

@Hp - We don't have time to build a Toomai waggon.

In post 461, GoodCopBadCop wrote:@Hapa - One's a claimed PR...

He claimed 1-shot doctor.

If he claimed a grade-A power role (cop, doctor, JK, etc), I'd see your point. However he made an incredibly convenient claim that's unverifiable. If we think he's scum, we kill him. End of story.

[Quote[@Hp - We don't have time to build a Toomai waggon.[/quote]

24 hours is plenty of time, but

Didn't finish the last bit:

@Hp - We don't have time to build a Toomai waggon.

24 hours is plenty of time, but I'm not as sold as I need to be on Toomai to lynch him. Weak votes aren't a justification to kill someone at the last minute. Worth scrutiny tomorrow for sure though.

hp [leaves wrote: post_id=4959316 time=1368734362 user_id=10128]

In post 453, NicCage wrote:Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

Oh God the smell of opportunism here. Also Toomai too.

Hey man, I said that's what I was going to do earlier.

In post 464, NicCage wrote:

hp [leaves wrote: post_id=4959316 time=1368734362 user_id=10128]

In post 453, NicCage wrote:Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

Oh God the smell of opportunism here. Also Toomai too.

Hey man, I said that's what I was going to do earlier.

It would be ideal if you could do more.

In post 442, Cheery Pie wrote:

In post 436, hapahauli wrote:Ok. What's the difference? If you're suspicious of me, tell it to my face so I don't have to deal with your random "badgering" comments.

The difference in questioning your actions and not your motives is that I'm not casting suspicion on your alignment, rather where you are putting your energy: vis a vis making the cases on 1 post wonders, eagerness for ac1983fan lynch and so on. Right now it'd be very difficult to construe your posting as scummy and that's not what I'm doing. I also don't see how this is "badgering" or random. That seems to imply it's out of place or that you have some sort of suspicions on what I'm doing. Dealing with questions towards your actions comes with the territory, I'd say it's no different from what you've been doing to others. However, if you feel it is, please elaborate why that's the case.

Ok, thanks for making that clearer.

In post 432, hapahauli wrote:If you are not voting ac1983fan, the onus is on you to explain why. Or do you seriously think Varsoon is a better candidate at this point?

Right, well I thought I gave a rough indication, but a couple of simple points:

• - the wagon developed extremely quickly (at this stage that's not often an indication of town-only involvement)
  - there are people who jumped on the wagon that I either have suspicion of, or feel they joined it weakly and thus leaves me developing suspicion
  - there's been a PR claim, not an ideal one, but my preference with these things in the past is to not lynched claimed PR's if there's reasonable opportunity for them to do something with it
  - we could take the PR claim into consideration for tomorrow, both with possible set-ups and future courses of action eg. should ac1983fan keep his 1 shot for later and bait out a scum kill? or try to protect key targets to help town for tomorrow? etc.
  - the case on ac1983fan isn't definitive (RE: meta) and so there's no reason to be close minded towards alternative explanations for his actions or lynch targets for today
  - there are alternative lynches and time (just) to lynch these people

I've dismissed all these reasonings in previous posts. Namely that my case isn't based on meta, and that the chances of making scum do something "suboptimal" with his ability (if he's somehow town) are extremely low.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Varsoon is a

better

candidate, but he feels like a viable alternative. I'd also consider NicCage for a lynch. The wagon on ac1983fan happened faster than I would've liked and could've reacted to. I was wary of its speed and the PR claim only increases this notion. That's not to say you don't have relevant points, but in the scope of how it played out I've gotten a bad feeling about it all.

You voting Varsoon implies that you think he's the candidate availible. If he's not the best candidate in your mind, who is? Place your vote on that person.

This wagon and the deadline has caught me between a rock and a hard place. I don't think there's really time for elaborate cases to counter ac1983fan's, it's going to have to be

all on

or

all off

instead. So if people aren't going to be moving their votes then I'll hammer if need be.

I don't like this attitude. I feel like you've been talking around things and doing everything in your power not to make a vote-committment. Your plan here is essentially to wait and see, and give the town your "stamp of approval" by hammering someone. This is unacceptable when we have 24 hours left in the day. We need to be discussing reads, not doing hwat you are proposing.

I hate this town. Don't expect me to post after this.

In post 467, GoodCopBadCop wrote:I hate this town.

Having just read everything posted today I'm inclined to agree with this 100%

Also idk if ac is scum or town but regardless hap's attitude has to be the shittiest I've ever seen. Last I checked you aren't confirmed town and nobody elected you the leader. Take your barking out of this game.

Playing SMART we should not be lynching AC today.

-J

In post 38, NicCage wrote:Why me and not Toomai?

In post 401, NicCage wrote:Hey dys, what do you think of Toomai?

In post 453, NicCage wrote:Since no one is interested in Toomai I'll
VOTE: acfan

I don't see how keeping him around for tomorrow is beneficial.

Why the hard on for Toomai all game?

In post 469, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:

In post 467, GoodCopBadCop wrote:I hate this town.

Having just read everything posted today I'm inclined to agree with this 100%

Also idk if ac is scum or town but regardless hap's attitude has to be the shittiest I've ever seen. Last I checked you aren't confirmed town and nobody elected you the leader. Take your barking out of this game.

What do you expect me to do? I have lined up in front of me an day 1 lynch that I spent a bunch of time on. Everyone seems to agree with my case and are refusing to vote AC for reasons that have nothing to do with his alignment.

You can call my attitude "shitty" or whatever, but I've been putting more effort into this game than virtually the entire playerbase combined, and to see this "he claimed 1-shot doctor therefore we're not lynching him today" is absolutely infuriating and is sending me off the deep end.

In the mean time, I'll do whatever I can to get my top scumread lynched. If you don't like it, then cross your fingers that I get shot tomorrow night, or be the vocal leader in my stead. Because no one else seems want to, you'll have to deal with me today =)

Playing SMART we should not be lynching AC today.

-J

Furthermore, did you not see what your posted to the effect? The one you so idolize?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4958118

All this "don't lynch the PR" stuff It applies to normal doctor/cop claims, but not this one. In the case of a 1-shot claim, we lynch the guy if we think he's scum. End of story.

Well, the first one was to see what distinction hp was making between Toomai and I, so that one doesn't have anything to do with me thinking Toomai was scum.

After Toomai's post voting me the first time I was suspicious of him. Like I've said, I think he's scum.

The second was to see why dys called out Toomai in 117 and then said nothing about it from then on. I was trying to see if there was a connection between the two of them.

In post 467, GoodCopBadCop wrote:I hate this town. Don't expect me to post after this.

Pffft. You're rather sensitive for a "Bad Cop."

In post 471, hapahauli wrote:Furthermore, did you not see what your own partner posted to the effect? The one you so idolize?

she also said that we should not be lynching him.

so yeah for the most part we are on the same page, so kindly move your vote to nic

thanks