Newbie 1393 Game Over

[Smudger]

FuDuzn nice job proving my thoughts regarding your are correct. I would also like to remind you of who my top town pick was pror to the claims. Dessew. HC was a suspect if mine for a while but I changed that line of thought some time ago. Here in fact.

HC, okay accepted observation and therefore a slight shift in my thinking, but it could be a bus. let us see shall we.

notscience if you are going to claim or give anything in reply that would stop a hammer then please post.

[Z7-852]

FuDuzn latest post (#448) really easies my mind. I know that he is scum and he votes Smudger ergo Smudger must be town. This means that Dessew must be scum. Also FuDuzn logic that because Smudger have been pushing HopefullyCynical then Smudger must be scum is bad at best. Just because someone is looking for breadcrumbs in order to find PR doesn't make someone scum. Looks like he is really scraping the bottom of barrel for these arguments.

VOTE: Dessew

[Dessew]

The tracker can track only one player at a time,

agreed but I think you will understand the point I am making when you see this

VOTE: notscience
I don't mind voting for either notscience or Smudger at this point, as I think both of them are scum.

this was D2 before I hammered. had he been the tracker he would have tracked me N2 or one of the people he thought were my scum buddies

(this from early D3)

At the moment, I think the potential scum teams are Smudger/Z7, FuDuzn/Smudger, Smudger being in both of my theoretical teams.

so he may have seen who carried out the N2 NK on DDP

then if he had, and yes it is all open to debate, this could have happened

as a newbie tracker you send your PM to the Mod and get back so and so1 went to see so and so2.

that night so and so2 gets NK'd

what do you think a newbie tracker would do, keep it quite or post in thread? I think I no what he or she would do, it really is a no brainier TBH.

I respect that Smudger, your post 300 caught me off guard in a good way. You are less scummy after that, and my attention is much more on notscience now.

Also maybe it wasn't you who carried out the NKs but your scumbuddy, and over all, there's a lot of speculation. But yes, if you weren't scum, it'd definitely make sense. Btw, you did perform last night's NK, because FuDuzn was blocked.

Well since talking to Smudge and Z7 is clearly pointless since they clearly, and effectively I will admit, pushing the mislynch(I say this with confidence now since Z7 is going all in only now that he sees that HC is leaning towards voting Dessew and Z7 can just fully commit now).

HC, and I can't believe this just hit me, hasn't Smudge been pushing for you as scum most of the game? The same Smudge who has clearly been following breadcrumbs and pr tells all game just so can be prepared for this situation? You don't think he didn't have a pretty good idea you were a pr while he was trying to get you lynched?

Seems a bit strange right HC?

Distancing from Smudger, using emotions as arguments. Here's the scumteam: Smudger&FuDuzn. (God, I AM slow)

[Dessew]

I hate two doublepost, but I've just arrived home, wanted to make a fast post, but I've got a little more time.

Where did I lie?

I'm the bulletproof.

HC next.

I thought there was something you can prove that I lied about without winning the game. You know, because if you want to "prove" it, you have to lynch me, but then the game ends immediately...

Dessews long posts (#430) are really lacking content in my opinion. There is lot of talk but not much that he says in them. Smudger is doing much clearer job explaining his play and logic. And currently I know that FuDuzn is scum so I would really like to lynch him. But if I had to chooce between Dessew and Smudger I would say that Dessew is the scum. Interaction patterns between Dessew and FuDuzn support them being parters more than FuDuzn being partnered with Smudger.

Please post some of those interaction patterns (not necessary in very very long post if you don't want, a few is just enough)

[Smudger]

Dessew regarding the NK I did say it was debatable, give it up please you are clutching at straws. The arguments have been made the cases are presented. Let us wait shall we and see what HC decides,

[HopefullyCynical]

FuDuzn, I'd also like to point out that I thought Smudger was scum for a while as well, it wasn't like notscience where he was just riding me all game. See Day 2.

Smudger, between FuDuzn and Z7, who do you think is scum? Sorry if you posted it earlier and I didn't notice or recall it.

[FuDuzn]

He has said he thinks I am scum, which if you read my last post makes sense(pretty clear now to me it is Smudge and Z7).

[HopefullyCynical]

Why do you not think it's Dessew, Fu?

[FuDuzn]

Well firstly I never thought he was scummy throughout the game, he wasn't super townie but he seemed to poke and prod in ways that indicate town. Plus it involves some PoE(process of elimination), Z7 has been a top scum read of mine pretty much all game and when he just flat out said I was scum while voting Dessew it made the writing on the wall pretty clear, from my perspective at least.

Circusmstances have dictated that Smudger is much more likely scum then Dessew.

[Dessew]

I'm still alive ergo FuDuzn isn't scum.

[Z7-852]

I'm still alive ergo FuDuzn isn't scum.

Because you are alive you are scum. If you are town scum would quick hammer you. I know I'am town and FuDuzn is scum (because there is only 1 VT left alive and that's me). Because FuDuzn didn't hammer you you must be scum.

At this point scum has small merits of killing one of its own but chances for that are extremely low considering that we are at LyLo. Looking from HC point of view there are two scum teams. It's either Smudger and me or Dessew and FuDuzn.

[FuDuzn]

Z7, how would scum quickhammer Dessew? You are voting him and Smudge is voting him(is he?) and we all know HC isn't scum. Even if Smudge hasn't voted Dessew yet I would think HC would know not to vote anybody until everyone else has voted. I am not voting him because he isn't scum, you and Smudge are.

So you are basically making things up now and by talking in absolutes(FuDuzn is scum) you are trying to really convince HC to support the mislynch.

[Z7-852]

Dessew said that because you haven't hammered him you must be town. I just pointed out that this isn't true if both of you are scum.

[FuDuzn]

Well no shit, but saying that he(and I) are scum because he hasn't been quick hammered is quite frankly an outright fallacy.

[Z7-852]

I know that you (FuDuzn) are scum because there is only 1 VT left and you claimed to be a VT. And because you didn't hammer Dessew that makes him your partner.

[FuDuzn]

See this is the thing, I can say the same thing about you.........the exception being I am telling the truth.

You haven't given any reason why I am scum, and barely a reason why Dessew is scum. There has been reasons why you are scum and documented truth that Smudge wasnted HC gone even as he was furiously hunting for PR's. It all just adds up that you two are scum.

[Dessew]

Looking from HC point of view there are two scum teams. It's either Smudger and me or Dessew and FuDuzn.

This is true. Right now, I'm not having any content to post, and as I see, you aren't, either. Now it's all up to HC, as Smudger said earlier.
(Just as an early warning, if HC doesn't lynch me, I'll be V/LA form Monday till Friday.)

[Smudger]

FuDuzn, I'd also like to point out that I thought Smudger was scum for a while as well, it wasn't like notscience where he was just riding me all game. See Day 2.

Smudger, between FuDuzn and Z7, who do you think is scum? Sorry if you posted it earlier and I didn't notice or recall it.

I have just read a lot of WIFPM from both Dessew and Fu. HC These 2 are the scum team it stands to reason that they are if you understand the statements I have made and the way in which I have applied logic to it.

If you read the last page of posts, where both Fu and Dessew are posting, at first read it would appear that they are posting independently. But they are not, it is very obvious that this is a coordinated attempt to coerce you to lynch me. And as you have said and I have said, at one point we both suspected each other as scum, that is the nature of this game. You have the unenviable task of the final vote, it will either win or lose the game for town, you know that, as does everyone, you need to vote where you think the vote should go, it is only a game after all and regardless of where you vote, you have played very well.

[Smudger]

Lol WIFOM NOT WIFOM

[Dessew]

Lol Lol WIFOM NOT WIFOM NOT Lol WIFOM NOT WIFOM

[Dessew]

Lol Lol Lol WIFOM NOT WIFOM NOT Lol WIFOM NOT WIFOM NOT Lol Lol WIFOM NOT WIFOM NOT Lol WIFOM NOT WIFOM

[HopefullyCynical]

VOTE: Dessew

Sorry again for the misplays as Jailkeeper. If Dessew is not scum, I'm glad my first game of mafia was with you guys. It was/is a lot of fun!

[Dessew]

GG

[Z7-852]

HC remember to jail FuDuzn during night.

[Nexus]

Votecount 3.3:

Dessew (3-LYNCH) -

Smudger, Z7-852, HopefullyCynical

Smudger (2) -

Dessew, FuDuzn

Not Voting (0)-

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is at 1pm BST on the 28th July 2013 (1 day)

Dessew - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 3

Night 3 now begins. It will end at 9am BST on Monday 29th July 2013