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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:44 am

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I don't know what I was thinking. The SK has little reason to come forward. I know I'm a townie and I believe inHim is our cop. That leaves Yosarian2, Assasin and Crola as scum from my point of view. I don't know which of the three would be the SK, but I suspect Crola is the mafia roleblocker, that would make up for the small mafia size.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:10 am

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IF there's a SK and a 2 man mafia, we need to lynch one of the scum and hope for crosskills. There could also be two 2 man scum groups, but then that would mean you're ALL scum and I'm the last good guy left...well, I'm not going to worry about that possibility just yet. So let's assume a SK and a 2 man scum group. In order to lynch scum, we need both townies and the SK to all vote for the same scum, which is fine because the SK should want to lynch a scum today in order to increase his own chances.

I still think the best bet to look for scum is on CA's bandwagon yesterday. Between Assasin, Crola, and CES, there MUST be at least one mafia, more likely two.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:35 am

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Obv.

Why aren't you voting for Crola?
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:56 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Obv.

Why aren't you voting for Crola?
Um, why aren't I placing a quick vote in a probable "2 town 1 SK 2 scum" situation?

Gee. let's think...
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:02 am

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Who do you think is more likely to be scum? Crola or inHim? If Crola is scum, what role is most likely? Mafia roleblocker(to make the 2-person scum group more powerful and GFs don't make sense flavourwise) or SK? I think it's pretty obvious personally that Crola is a mafia roleblocker.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:15 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Who do you think is more likely to be scum? Crola or inHim? If Crola is scum, what role is most likely? Mafia roleblocker(to make the 2-person scum group more powerful and GFs don't make sense flavourwise) or SK? I think it's pretty obvious personally that Crola is a mafia roleblocker.
Why would those be my only two options?

If I was not clear in my previos post, I expect by the end of the day to be voting for either you, or Crola, or Assasin. I suspect that two out of the three of you are mafia , and I am SURE that at least one out of the three of you is mafia. (I don't really care who the SK is right now) I suppose that Crola could be a mafia roleblocker; have any pro-town people been blocked this game, that we know of?
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:26 am

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Well, those aren't your only two options, but if you were town(inHim and me probably are), then logically at least one of Crola or inHim must be scum.
Yos wrote: I suppose that Crola could be a mafia roleblocker; have any pro-town people been blocked this game, that we know of?
Well no, but we haven't had any claimed power roles(maybe inHim got roleblocked last night though). But that would explain the lack of kills the first 2 nights. Unless the SK is a kill-or-investigation immunity type role and I don't see that working at all, Crola roleblocking the SK is the only logical possibility as both kills were prevented night 1. As Crola claimed to have roleblocked pablito night 1, she nearly must be lying.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:47 am

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Okay, first off, we don't know what the set up is. I feel that by basing all our facts off assumptions, we're not going to get anywhere.

We still need claims from Assasin and Yossarian2 who have not claimed yet even after everyone else went along with the mass claim yesterday.

If we somehow miss scum today we are utterly screwed and considering the odds (we know we have at least two killers if not more) we have roughly a 50% chance to hit scum today.

I say we start the day off, not by making hasty and possibly regretable votes *cough**CES**cough* and let's have Assasin and Yos2 claim and have inhim reveal his investigation for today. This will provide us with more facts, a speed lynch can only hurt us in this situation.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:51 am

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If you're not scum, Crola, then inHim must be. I really don't see inHim as scum and he isn't even here, so inHim would have to be the SK before that vote was in any way dangerous.

Your claim makes little sense as SK, it makes plenty of sense as mafia. Yes, more information could be useful, but I know enough right now to feel comfortable with my vote.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:08 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:If you're not scum, Crola, then inHim must be. I really don't see inHim as scum and he isn't even here, so inHim would have to be the SK before that vote was in any way dangerous.

Your claim makes little sense as SK, it makes plenty of sense as mafia. Yes, more information could be useful, but I know enough right now to feel comfortable with my vote.
So suddenly only Inhim and I can be mafia. I would like to remind you that you were very high on everyone's scumdar yesterday, I have not forgotten. Not to mention that by advocating a speedlynch this early, which you are by rushing to vote someone so early, you look more scummy. We shouldn't rule anyone out yet until we have the information I requested. I'm not asking that much.

(also what's the whole inhim proxy thing?)
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:27 am

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Crola wrote: So suddenly only Inhim and I can be mafia.
This game's not going to have less than 3 scum. I know I'm town. I strongly believe inHim is town. Therefore the rest must be scum. If Yos were town or Assasin were, they would be able to reach the same conclusion. And I don't care how scummy I look, for I know I am town.
(also what's the whole inhim proxy thing?)
InHim proxied to Fritzler, giving Fritzler control over inHim's vote until inHim returned.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:44 am

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Crola wrote:Okay, first off, we don't know what the set up is. I feel that by basing all our facts off assumptions, we're not going to get anywhere.

We still need claims from Assasin and Yossarian2 who have not claimed yet even after everyone else went along with the mass claim yesterday.

If we somehow miss scum today we are utterly screwed and considering the odds (we know we have at least two killers if not more) we have roughly a 50% chance to hit scum today.

I say we start the day off, not by making hasty and possibly regretable votes *cough**CES**cough* and let's have Assasin and Yos2 claim and have inhim reveal his investigation for today. This will provide us with more facts, a speed lynch can only hurt us in this situation.
I kind of did claim yesterday. In case you missed it, I am just a vanilla pregnant woman.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:49 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Well, those aren't your only two options, but if you were town(inHim and me probably are), then logically at least one of Crola or inHim must be scum.
Why should I believe that you are probably town?

Inhim is probably not mafia, because he wasn't on the bandwagon yesterday; he's most likely either town or SK, so we're not going to lynch him today. That should be obveous. What's interesting to me is the the question of why you keep attacking Crola and ignoring Assasin.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:18 am

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Yos wrote: Why should I believe that you are probably town?
You don't have to. But if you were town, then you could draw the same conclusion. I'd be surprised if we didn't have an information role and I feel inHim's role fits perfectly. On top of that, it would be an illogical move for mafia(or an SK) to come forward Yesterday as cop. If you accept inHim as town and you know yourself to be town, then you know who the scum are.

Crola claimed roleblocked, I believe she is the mafia roleblocker. Her being a mafia roleblocker would also explain the lack of kills the first couple of nights. Assasin, however, could just as easily be the SK. That's why I'm focusing on Crola. As it is, it seems more likely that Crola would roleblock you, so I suspect you're the SK. That reasoning for Assasin being scum does rely on Crola being scum though.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:32 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote: Crola claimed roleblocked, I believe she is the mafia roleblocker. Her being a mafia roleblocker would also explain the lack of kills the first couple of nights. Assasin, however, could just as easily be the SK. That's why I'm focusing on Crola. As it is, it seems more likely that Crola would roleblock you, so I suspect you're the SK. That reasoning for Assasin being scum does rely on Crola being scum though.
The problem with that theory is that we had 1 "abortion doc" kill, one "coathanger" kill, and 1 night when we had an "abortion clinic" kill (probably the same group as the abortion doctor from night 1?) and another "coathanger" kill. So, if the abortion docs and coathangers are seperate groups, then both groups have missed one kill, and I don't think that both missing kills could be explained by a mafia role-blocker.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:48 am

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Hmm, hadn't noticed that. I'm not sure it means anything though, but I'll give it some thought.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:11 am

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Ok, taking another look at the night kills make me think that we a 2-person abortion doctor mafia and 1 pro-choice feminist activist type person. Most importantly I think it might be an SK that started the game pregnant, because a deliberate no-kill by the SK night 1 is the only thing that could explain the total lack of kills then. If Crola had roleblocked the SK, she could have come forward then, so I'm thinking that she really did roleblock pablito. It also fits the self-abortion theme of the killing MO(ie. that the SK would commit an abortion upon herself).

That would mean snowmonkey prevented the mafia kill the first two nights and Crola roleblocked the SK night 3. Perhaps it seems a bit unlikely, but Crola as a mafia roleblocker would allow the situation as it is to come to pass and I don't see another explanation.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:10 am

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CES wrote:I know I'm a townie and I believe inHim is our cop. That leaves Yosarian2, Assasin and Crola as scum from my point of view.
CES wrote:. . . but if you were town(inHim and me probably are), then logically at least one of Crola or inHim must be scum.
CES wrote:I strongly believe inHim is town. Therefore the rest must be scum.
How do you justify your wishy-washy and flip-flop position? Right now I'd say you're very paranoid, no matter what your role. Your constant inconsistencies prove this.

First, I still want Inhim to tell us his results and Assasin to claim.

Right now, here's my thoughts of everyone:
Inhim- might be a cop, might be a godfather, his recent lurkingness (He might be on vacation, I forget) makes him suspicious also.
CES - has been paranoid throughout the game and has made some very inconsistent remarks throughout.
Yossarian2 - has been playing it smooth and has somehow avoided all suspicion which sends off a red flag in my mind.
Assasin - has been consistently lurking throughout the game.
Crola - the only one I can trust

Also, @ CES, I'm a HE, not a SHE. Take notice of my blue arrow.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:20 am

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Crola wrote: How do you justify your wishy-washy and flip-flop position? Right now I'd say you're very paranoid, no matter what your role. Your constant inconsistencies prove this.
Um, there isn't any inconsistentency between those three quotes. In all three I say inHim are in all probability the two pro-town players left. In the second, I address someone else as well.
Crola wrote: Also, @ CES, I'm a HE, not a SHE. Take notice of my blue arrow.
Sorry, Crola just sounds feminine to me.

Here are my thoughts on everyone:
CES - 100% town
inHim - only claimed cop, got a correct result, fits the set-up, I believe him
Crola - scum by process of elimination, claimed roleblocked, fits mafia
Assasin - scum by process of elimination, I think mafia, but could be SK
Yosarian2 - scum by process of elimination, I think SK, but could be mafia
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:33 pm

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Lete me re-quote and bold.
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CES wrote:. . . but if you were town(inHim and me probably are),
then logically at least one of Crola or
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First you said inhim was definitely town, then you say that logically he could be scum then you flip-flop back to saying only you and him are innocent. Then you lied about what you said.

Right now I'm finding everything you say a little sketchy CES. All you're saying is you're town and your explanation is that we should just take your word for it. This is by far one of the lousiest arguments you've made yet. If you want to convince me of your innocence, give me proof.

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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:45 pm

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Crola wrote: First you said inhim was definitely town, then you say that logically he could be scum then you flip-flop back to saying only you and him are innocent. Then you lied about what you said.
Nope, I said I believed inHim was town. He could be scum, of course, but I really don't think so. That's even included in the the quote. I never flip-flopped.
Crola wrote: Right now I'm finding everything you say a little sketchy CES. All you're saying is you're town and your explanation is that we should just take your word for it. This is by far one of the lousiest arguments you've made yet. If you want to convince me of your innocence, give me proof.
I don't need to convince you of my innocence and I don't have to. If one accepts inHim as town, both Yos and Assasin should come to the same conclusion, because if they were town, they would know they were town and thereby have enough information to conclude that you're scum and probably mafia even. My argument doesn't rely on my innocence.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:08 pm

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I'll claim, but I won't throw votes around in this situation like CES.

I am South Dakota, a self protector.

I am hesitant to believe CES and Yosarian's claim because scum could easily claim regnant mother in this game and get away with it as it is a common role, essentially townie, making me believe that they are both scum.

Also, CES, you are most likely scum as you suggested the no lynch which would have had people mod killed and then called for myself and Mini Neo to be mod killed while both of us are town. You are on the top of my list.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:18 pm

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Assasin wrote: I am South Dakota, a self protector.
You're a state? Um, why would you need protection? I mean, states don't regularly have abortions or anything.
Assasin wrote: I am hesitant to believe CES and Yosarian's claim because scum could easily claim regnant mother in this game and get away with it as it is a common role, essentially townie, making me believe that they are both scum.
Because obviously there can't be any townies left. That wouldn't make ANY sense.
Assasin wrote: Also, CES, you are most likely scum as you suggested the no lynch which would have had people mod killed and then called for myself and Mini Neo to be mod killed while both of us are town. You are on the top of my list.
'Twas an honest mistake and I don't see how I could've stood to gain from it honestly. Getting both of you guys modkilled would probably've been a good thing.

And Assasin, the question here isn't: who's the scum, but rather who's the mafia and who's the SK?
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:24 pm

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Let's see, seven pregnant mothers, a cop, a roleblocker, a self protector, a doctor(proly SnowMonkey) and an odd vig. Now, get rid of three of those roles and make them scum, which ones would they be. One of the only 5 non townie roles, or the scum claiming townie.

Oh, and I researched my role when I got it and South Dakota is probably a self protector because they amde a law saying that abortions were illegal in the state, therefore that leads to the self protecting role.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:31 pm

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We have 3 scum maximum. 1 cop, 1 doc, 1 viggish, 6 pregnant mothers, 1 mafia goon, 1 mafia roleblocker, 1 partially investigation immune SK makes sense as a setup to me.

And what is a state doing in this game? All of us have been people, famous or pregnant. Sorry, but your claim is truly ridiculous. I'd rather lynch the mafia roleblocker though.
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