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In post 63, Goat on a Raft wrote:That's why we start the game with votes!

It seems a waste to vote someone if you can't even pretend to believe in it while pressured.

In post 362, Goat on a Raft wrote:Also, yeah, Alfred is all sorts of right about quadz being town, in case our read wasn't clear enough.

Why is that?

UNVOTE:

I think that summarizes my thoughts on recent events.

In post 218, quadz08 wrote:I mean, I guess that Faraday could just flavor the scumteam as wights, but it doesn't seem like Faraday, especially when there are definitely a couple of explicitly undead characters that could get picked.

Why did this matter again?

In post 267, quadz08 wrote:I don't put a ton of stock in my meta of players, but I just remember you being confident to the point of obnoxiousness. It stuck out in my head so felt it was worth mentioning. Plus, wanted to see what your response to being called out on it was.

I sorta liked this.

In post 298, quadz08 wrote:interesting.

In what kind of way? In a "they are both town" or "they are both scum" or "one is scum" kind of way?

In post 298, quadz08 wrote:I am extremely concerned that Andy is scum faking a Post Restriction, but that's :tinfoil: and has nothing substantiating it.

Seems like a pretty scary thought to me too.

In post 298, quadz08 wrote:Amrun leaning scum
Zdenek feels scummy

Why?
And why didn't you vote either?

In post 437, quadz08 wrote:ooba, on the other hand, is someone who keeps making me go AHHH every time he posts and then I promptly forget about him in the sea of Not Shitty Posts that surround his play

ooba is town but feel free to bring words into this to prove me wrong

In post 451, Cephrir wrote:UNVOTE:

I think that summarizes my thoughts on recent events.

Wanna join me on Goat? I still don't like quadz, but I can leave him alone for a second since there's some back and forth in his ISO.

In post 445, ooba wrote:

In post 441, quadz08 wrote:like seriously, check out ooba's iso

hello post
brief readslist
joke
explanation of joke
post 331, which is confusing at best and a misrep at worst
says he "still" reads elle as town after not mentioning outside of 331
response to question
asks about vote on himself

he has generated no actual content; his only reads were the initial readslist, his townread on elle, and then a couple of scumreads after Thor explicitly asked him to point out some scum for him

- My reads are my content

says he "still" reads elle as town

after not mentioning outside of 331

- elle is the first read on my "initial readslist"

"then a couple of scumreads after Thor explicitly asked him to point out some scum for him"

- This is a misrep that makes it sound like I never mentioned scumreads before this - kanye and Shadow were also mentioned in the "initial readslist" (although Cephrir and Garruk reduced on the scummy meter in the few pages in between)

- AlfredBow has not mentioned me anywhere except for the vote - so wanted to know why he thought I was scummy

Upon reread to determine whether I believe ooba is town, I now dislike the quoted quadz post a good deal. (incidentally, no verdict on ooba yet)

In post 453, Nautilius wrote:

In post 451, Cephrir wrote:UNVOTE:

I think that summarizes my thoughts on recent events.

Wanna join me on Goat? I still don't like quadz, but I can leave him alone for a second since there's some back and forth in his ISO.

Vote: Goat on a Raft

They're probably second on my list of mild concerns. Perhaps down the line.

VOTE: quadz

In post 447, elleheathen wrote:Naked reads always give me a weird vibe when they come without any previous commenting. What strikes me as more odd there is that he has me, of all people, as his only town read in 271.

Doesn't provide anything further on his 'reads' as they are just 'vibes' but these vibes are apparently enough to vote on, just not to elaborate on? Ooba?
In 331, he misreps me by quoting a succession of posting that dubs it down to put me in the worst possible light (I really didn't need help there, yo!) but it's blank, not to mention erases what I am actually answering. When questioned on it, he says it was to 'get an explanation' but doesn't ask a question in the quotes with which to get a reaction.

@Ooba - If I'm your town read, why did you phrase the quotes to paint me as scummy - on top of an accusation of rolefishing on someone who'd already revealed their role? And why do you have me as town?

- - so which part were you answering? It still isn't obvious.

- - I've already explained this. Either a self-contradiction on your part or a communication gap on my end - required an explanation. I approach the game like a puzzle to be solved - if there's a small piece that doesn't make sense, I want to see what that's about.

- - ??

- - that's a function of the actual votes on you, the people voting you, other people commenting on your play. Like I said - "easy target". I scumhunt based on interactions - "why X attacked Y?", "why didn't X comment on this?" - this holds true for my other reads as well.

In post 450, Nautilius wrote:It seems a waste to vote someone if you can't even pretend to believe in it while pressured.

Can't tell exactly what part you're complaining about but it comes down to a theory thing and you're wrong about it so yah-boo-sucks.

In post 362, Goat on a Raft wrote:Also, yeah, Alfred is all sorts of right about quadz being town, in case our read wasn't clear enough.

Why is that?

The reason we said "Alfred is right" specifically is because he hit the nail on the head in #353.

Day 1, Vc 15

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

Cephrir (1) -

Goat on a Raft

kanyeknowsbest (3) -

Andrius, ooba, PeaceBringer

elleheathen (4) -

PrideandJoy, Garruk Relentless, kanyeknowsbest, Thor665

quadz08 (5) -

Shadoweh, StupendousMan, Benmage, macmollie, Cephrir

Amrun (1) -

Tierce

ooba (2) -

Alfred Borden, quadz08

StupendousMan (1)-

Tammy

Thor665 (1) -

Zdenek

Goat on a Raft (1) -

Nautilius

Not voting (4)

- Messiah Complex, SafetyDance, Syryana, elleheathen
With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and Benmage are V/la

If there are any VC mistakes please let me know

UNVOTE: Cephrir
VOTE: ooba

For the time being - may change when other head checks in.

In post 449, Nautilius wrote: Why is self-voting bad if you're still self-voting in spirit?

I'm going to guess that's meant to say why (?) and in this case, it just felt like a good use of hydra to me.

In post 449, Nautilius wrote:

In post 282, elleheathen wrote:But most of the scumhunting going on here is meta-based and I haven't played with a single person here -

I thrive in crowds where I don't know anyone and no one knows me. You shouldn't have a problem getting reads on people the usual way, right?

Not so much about reads but more getting into/understanding where other reads are coming from.

In post 449, Nautilius wrote:

In post 447, elleheathen wrote:He got town points for stopping the attempted tunnel on the hydra issue that was taking the thread way off course.

Why? It seems pro-town, but not particularly difficult to replicate as scum.

Yeah, it probably isn't - but I think it's that he made two strong attempts at curttailing it. One that explained how it should be looked at and one that like 'nostahp'.

In post 449, Nautilius wrote:

In post 447, elleheathen wrote:I can't really read - but something about the interaction between her and Tammy feels like they're on opposing sides but only between the two,

This suggests they are both third party or Shadoweh is scum, no?

Because I have Tammy as such a strong town read, initially yes, it lead me to believe Shadoweh might be scum. But their whole interaction confuses me (and I have a tendency to overthink things) and wanted a better idea on their flavors and to see what would happen when they found their hunky menz (thought it could be you with the 347 but no response to it from them) but:

And forgive me because this is going to sounds ridiculously stupid but you asked...

I thought they might be both town with some kind of modifier or role (mentors, lovers, neighbors) where this hunky man could choose between the two and it would somehow alter their role or... something? I only dove into a lot of this speculation because Shadoweh's posts haven't struck me as particularly scummy so I wasn't ready to label her as scum just because of what looks like a similarity in their roles - but haven't ruled it out as a possibility, no.

Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox)
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)
ooba
PeaceBringer
quadz08
SafetyDance
StupendousMan
Syryana
Thor665

In post 457, Goat on a Raft wrote:Can't tell exactly what part you're complaining about but it comes down to a theory thing and you're wrong about it so yah-boo-sucks.

I'm complaining about all of it, mostly.

In post 457, Goat on a Raft wrote:The reason we said "Alfred is right" specifically is because he hit the nail on the head in #353.

The only decently strong position you've had all game is agreeing with Llamarble pretty much breaks my heart completely.
Please do something.

In post 464, Nautilius wrote:agreeing with Llamarble pretty much breaks my heart completely.

and it*

Whats the list brobeans

scum?

Yeah, we're working on it.

In post 456, ooba wrote: -

"not to mention erases what I am actually answering."

- so which part were you answering? It still isn't obvious.

This is what you quote:

In post 331, ooba wrote:

Thor wrote:Also, seriously, my rolename will help you quantify the validity of the rather normal and pointed claim of 'Miller'?
...
How's that help your read of my roleclaim?

elle wrote:P-Edit: It doesn't.

This is what is actually there:

In post 328, Thor665 wrote: My vote on you is serious now.
How's that help your read of my roleclaim?

In post 329, elleheathen wrote: P-Edit: It doesn't.

He says his vote is srs, which doesn't help my read of his roleclaim.

In post 456, ooba wrote: -

"on top of an accusation of rolefishing on someone who'd already revealed their role"

- ??

In post 338, ooba wrote: - ShadowReh who isn't on the wagon but the reaction to the elle's rolefishing was pushing it

^

In post 456, ooba wrote: -

"@Ooba - If I'm your town read, why did you phrase the quotes to paint me as scummy"

- I've already explained this. Either a self-contradiction on your part or a communication gap on my end - required an explanation. I approach the game like a puzzle to be solved - if there's a small piece that doesn't make sense, I want to see what that's about.

Meh. I find it weird because you posted it but didn't ask for this explanation you wanted until you were called out on the misrep and asked. If it were about seeing a response, it'd be one thing but you wanted an to a question you didn't ask.

Oh, and:

In post 448, Nautilius wrote:HEY WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A READ ON ME

<3
You're town. Very obvious, wonderful, helpful town.

In post 467, Goat on a Raft wrote:Yeah, we're working on it.

must be a lot of work

No need to be sarky.

<3

hey naut

why the quadz wagon over the ooby 1?

In post 466, PrideandJoy wrote:Whats the list brobeans

scum?

ya dawg

In post 472, macmollie wrote:<3

hey naut

why the quadz wagon over the ooby 1?

I liked his opening AND his response to quadz. It makes sense for him to withhold reasoning for his reads if he doesn't have strong things to back it up, and I liked the way that he responded to SSK (I could feel the same frustration behind his posts that I do when you don't get my jokes ), and I liked how he didn't try to fake any reasoning for it, just went for it. He just kinda owned quadz in his response, but the townie part was here:

In post 445, ooba wrote:- This is a misrep that makes it sound like I never mentioned scumreads before this - kanye and Shadow were also mentioned in the "initial readslist" (although Cephrir and Garruk reduced on the scummy meter in the few pages in between)

He added that bit in for clarification and it felt town to me because he was monitoring changes in his reads list, and i can see why pretty easily (cephrir and garruk both look pretty town right now), but I see no reason why he would have added that in as scum.

In post 467, Goat on a Raft wrote:Yeah, we're working on it.