Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[Mr_Ree]

The thing is fuzzy, I really appreciate what regfan has been posting. It looks a lot like what I would have posted say, a year ago. The analysis is great, I agreed with his read posts. I just don't agree with a Satan lynch atm.

Nominull and Skelda are the probable scum here. When I look at some of the interaction between the two, I see scum. A Nominull flip here would give more information than a Satan flip, which, I am willing to bet would be town. Regfan said it himself, Nominull is capable of better than this.

Take the statement I just pointed out, That looks to me like he KNOWS Satan's alignment. If Satan gets
lynched, Null gets enough towncred to push a 2pac lynch tomorrow. "You guys should have listened to me yesterday and voted for 2pac"

PE: oh, this should be good... Do explain for the crowd...

[Nominull]

I have a guess as to Satan's alignment. So do you. We're in agreement on that, at least. How about you join me and we can get a counterwagon going on 2Pac?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Ree- what makes you think Satan will flip town. Also what do you make of Reg's scumslip read on Satan...you seem to think that he has pretty good reads. I guess I am asking why I should I should flip my vote to Null since Satan seems like a pretty sure bet. Not saying am 100 percent sure he is scum but it seems more likely than not he is.

[Mr_Ree]

I could very well be wrong. It has happened once or twice.

Considering my top scumread is Nominull, I believe Satan to be town based on HIM. Thing is, scum KNOW the alignment of every townie walking into the game. I think Nom KNOWS Satan's alignment.

If scum goes and calls every townie Town, they have nobody to mislynch. Likewise, they cannot call every townie scum. The best way to get around that is to tunnel, or focus on one player only. That is what I believe Nom is doing with 2pac. Have you heard many other town or scumreads out of him?

I believe Nom to be the most informative lynch. A scumflip from him would damn Skelda, clear 2pac and basically win us the game. It really is THAT easy.

A townflip from Satan would sufficiently muddy up the waters so that Nom WOULD have been able to drive home a 2pac mislynch.

Based on what I've read, ^ this is exactly what I see happening.

[Mr_Ree]

@ Ree- what makes you think Satan will flip town. Also what do you make of Reg's scumslip read on Satan...you seem to think that he has pretty good reads. I guess I am asking why I should I should flip my vote to Null since Satan seems like a pretty sure bet. Not saying am 100 percent sure he is scum but it seems more likely than not he is.

Why does it seem more likely? I'd like you to answer in your own words.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Unvote

If what Sthar said about my reads are right than I misread your RT test and made some faulty assumption on your playing style. Saying that and seeing you have not done anything scummy I am guessing you are town. Hopefully you are right and we will get some very useful info on this read.

VOTE: Null

[Mr_Ree]

I have a guess as to Satan's alignment. So do you. We're in agreement on that, at least. How about you join me and we can get a counterwagon going on 2Pac?

Not happening. I haven't had one single iota of a townread off your play. You are intelligent, I'll give you that. Your case against 2pac is uninspired and based off a playstyle that is nothing but null. He has given reads. He hasn't backed down. Your play has been anti-town through and through. You have no intention of helping town win this and your cases are as hollow as the inside of the twizzler I can currently eating. Why should I, or anyone, for that matter, follow your lead?

You have shown knowledge of alignments
You have discredited
You have played anti town
You have tunnelled
You have attempted to spread suspicion

These are all marks of scum. I am quite happy with my vote on you.

[Mr_Ree]

Btw, I will be around quite frequently until this day ends. I have had a wicked flu for the last week and I apologize for my absence.

I have noticed a few unanswered questions posed to me. Reg and Sthar have done a decent job of explaining reaction tests. If you still have lingering questions, feel free to ask.

[Regfan]

Sigh. This is just becoming really really annoying. I'll explain why you're being an idiot in an hour Ree, have to get dinner sorted first.

[Ranawey]

I'm quite sleepy, so sorry if I missed it, but, what if Nominull flips town?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I was thinking that it was a scum slip and not a newb mistake. I read it as him contradicting himself. but not having a good reason why. the longer I think about it though it seems the scumslip is based on one word.....really . There are several context it could mean. 1) he was comparing the amount of scumminess. I guess it could also be that he changed his mind. He didnt think Bob was scummy after all.Maybe Im over thinking this .

Thinking that this plan is a bit of a gambit . Still hopefully it will force the scum to show thier hand and put their cards on the table

[TheFuzzylogic99]

They way I understand it is depending on Nom flips it will give us a better read on who is scum. Since Nom is most likely scum than that means Skelda is also scum. Atleast how I understand it.

Honestly Im been bordering on Nom for a while. I have been trying to believe that it was just bad play and he was just a bad townie but his tunneling has hurt the scum hunt . Its not like he could atleast do a read/ reaction on one other player. Not only that it getting harder to believe that he not doing it as a distraction to hide his scumminess. Not only that but his read is based on the matter of 2Pac gameplay. I agree it annoying but atleast 2Pac has contributed some where Nom has made no contribution until today and that was just two posts.

[Mr_Ree]

@Reg, I look forward to it.

Can you sum it up real quick for me? It's 3:30am here and that bed is really calling my name. Also, you should know that I am severly inclined to disregard the words of those that insult me so keep that in mind.

@Ran, Then it turns out I was wrong. Fortunately, I don't think I am.

We still have to deal with a claim, we still have VCA to fall back on AND we still gain valuable intel on Skelda, 2pac and Regfan. That basically covers all current scumreads. I have a problem finding fault in this.

[Regfan]

I don't think Nom's Post 445 is a scum slip in any form whatsoever, it's pretty clear that he thinks that 2Pac won't be lynched while there's distractions in the game and I think he treats Satan as one at the moment therefore he thinks post-claim and post-lynch 2Pac would get more attention. It fits completely with the context and everything else he's said.

Ree, his Post 449 is him saying "If you're good at this game as you claim you are then you wouldn't have a scum read on me so by your own claims you'd have to be scum here". That's a line of logic that's more natural to town than scum (It's similar to Runaweys "Regfan is too townie, he might scum" - it's logical fallacies but things that come from town only pretty much). Also lets run through this slowly: What about the case on Satan do you think is wrong. When answering this remember the following facts:

1) I replace in, I state a scum read on Satan. I point out a scum slip on Satan.
2) Satan logs on, views the thread, doesn't post, doesn't refute this.
3) People start voting Satan, he gets to L-2.
4) Satan then logs on (1-2 days after logging on reading my posts) and then goes "I'm aggression newbie!"

This is not the hallmark of town at all. It's what scum do when they're up against a corner and if needed I can point out many identical situations. First one that comes to mind (I'm Yesterday in the game), I replace in catch a Deckard slip in this post, he comes online views the thread, doesn't respond, people vote him he does this here, he continues getting pushed and self-hammers at the end.

Also with your whole "We get more interaction information from a Nom lynch" in Post 453 is flawed in that we're aiming to lynch scum, not aiming to lynch the person that gives us the most information. Also your entire proposal ignores the fact that a Nom town lynch would also give us nothing and that a Satan scum lynch would clear Skelda and make 2Pac very likely scum so it does just as much "information" wise.

I'll get to 2Pac in a minute.

[Regfan]

Then we get to 2Pac. Stop for a second and slowly read through his Post 437, he attempts to discredit my reads by stating they're all meta based (1 read of mine only involves meta and it's only a part of it not the whole thing) and stating that it's all association based reads (I have notes about who fits with who and who doesn't but all my

reads

have nothing to do with interactions). He really blatantly lies in the post. Also notice the following:

1) I state a massively detailed and explained scum read on Satan pointing out a scum slip.
2) In Post 379 he states that he reads the case as 'newb' rather than scum.
3) In Post 385 I ask him why he thinks the case points to newb rather than scum.
4) In Post 437 he evades answering that question and instead tries to turn it around on me stating "You got some explaining to do, whats Satans scum motivation".

This is not town either. This is scum who defended their partner, then when called out for reasoning on it they avoided answering since they can't come up with a legitimate answer and instead try and turn the question back on the person who asked it. And it's not as if I haven't stated what Satans scum motivation is, I've said it over-and-over again. This is scum decrediting someone that has the scum-team right.

[Ranawey]

It just feels weird that a game can be solved this soon.

[Mr_Ree]

Oh ok. let me just switch my vote then...

Not buying it dude. I've been around the block a few times too. I liked your original reads much better. Tell you what though, you push your case and I'll push mine. That way, at the very least, we have 2 viable options when it gets to deadline.

Since you seem to be defending your Nom townread, here is some food for thought, I play exclusively by phone and only on Wifi. It shows me as online when I'm not. Sometimes I look at the thread and simply don't have time to post. Sometimes my phone logs in and I don't check anything. Who are you to say any of these DIDN'T happen to Satan? Did he implicitly say that he ignored the thread?

What kind of newbie doesn't blame stuff on being a newbie? I did. Just about every other newbie I have encountered has too.

[Regfan]

I'm questioning why I bothered replacing into this game in the first place now. Look, lets make this simple, if you think I'm town (And I think I'm very obviously town) then have some faith in my scumhunting abilities at least for one day and agree to lynch Satan or at worst 2Pac. You pushing Nom now and pulling Fuzzy along with you is just preventing there from being anyone at L-1 therefore preventing anyone from claiming until

just

before the deadline, that means that scum can easily fake a PR claim causing confusion and throwing votes around elsewhere likely with a lynch without a claim. It's a bad strategy; especially when you won't state what you disagree with re; Satan.

I don't buy that Satan didn't log on at all when it states he didn't, since they'd mean he'd go days without checking the thread when he's shown he's active and states why he's not when he's not available - and when he came back he didn't state any reason he was away. And again, it's not that he's claiming to be a newbie. It's the fact that he's not even attempting to explain his thought process and reasoning. Look at his play and that section again, notice that he states that he plays only real life mafia, then remember that mafia in real life mafias main tactic is denying have scum reads on townies that they pushed towards since there's no logs to prove they had it.

[Skelda]

This is ridiculous. We were so close to getting done with time to spare...

Ree, we are not lynching Null. All he has done is tunnel on 2Pac and be attacked and defended. Satan's flip is what we need right now. End of story. You just don't have the votes to kill Null.

[2Pac]

@Regfan
Sorry I didn't make it clear playa, I think Satan made a newb-slip not a scum slip.
Oh wait, I said that already, so why you dun tripped?
Your right I'm trying to downplay your latest reads,
Because they suck playa, contrary to your first couple leads,
Crying about "Why did I even replace",
You sound like Nomiscum's mom, can't keep up with the pace?
Mis-repping me, haha, I just gave you a prod,
How about you stop being Nom's lawyer for a second playa and hop on the Winnebog.

@Ranawey
Nomiscum is straight scum playa,
Pretty much we get close to no information if we hang that Satan,
Pay close attention to how scum fools try to prep for day 2,
Not once have your heard me flow about what I'ma do tomorrow,
Because I'm trying to lynch scum today, not steal beg and borrow

[Regfan]

Sorry I didn't make it clear playa, I think Satan made a newb-slip not a scum slip.

And I've asked

why

do you think it's a noob slip and not a scum slip and you've avoided answering it. What about it is understandable as town, explain that to me

because I see literally no town motivation for it whatsoever.

Your right I'm trying to downplay your latest reads, Because they suck playa, contrary to your first couple leads, Crying about "Why did I even replace", You sound like Nomiscum's mom, can't keep up with the pace? Mis-repping me, haha, I just gave you a prod, How about you stop being Nom's lawyer for a second playa and hop on the Winnebog.

So my "reads suck" when the only difference between my original reads and right now is that my town read on Nom has strengthened and that I have a scum read on you? And no, you didn't give me a 'prod'

you avoided answering a question I asked specifically towards you

and tried to make it out as if all my reads and reasoning are crap when you state that you liked my original reads which is where most of my reasoning is a

s well as tried to pretend I didn't state Satans scum motivation when I did.

[SatanHellYeah]

Listen, @Regfan

I did log on and I did read your accusations. But it is hard for me to respond to it nicely from my phone. Now that I got my laptop, I hope I can make everything clearer.

What I can understand is that you read my playstyle as scummy, because I changed my vote from one guy to another. My votes are not even close in time. So if I am, as you say, jumping on easy wagons, I would probaly: a)voted some other people, for there have been interesting wagons for scum to sheep. b)voted this people when the opportunity came, which would have resulted in a massive vote changing.

The fact is I found Skelda scummy from the beggining. I stuck to my gut read. The thing is I wasn't explicit, because I didn't want Skelda to know someone was focusing on him. That could have made him more conscius about his actions, thing I did not want to happen. So I pretended going after Bob. If I put him at L-1, I

seriously

didn't notice. That was a great mistake, though. I'll be more careful when I place my vote form now on. Of course, you analyze it as scummy because I did not focus on my real objective. I cannot blame you for that, since you knew nothing about my plans.

But if you refuse to believe it after I tell you this, man, what else can I say? I mean, I can see you are not changing your mind. Not if I try to.

And let me tell you, I find Skelda scummier and scummier...I don't like his enthusiatic "That made it much easier!" in post 381/382. When I read his ISO, something inside me says: "This is scum goddammit." I bet that happens to some of you too. If you haven't tried, I suggest doing it.

And since some of you seem to need a claim from me, I'll repeat it once more: I am town.

[Ranawey]

@Satan
Simply town? Wait for someone else to ask this, anyways, because I'm not sure if it helps town or not.

[Regfan]

I'm a wee bit drunk and probably not in the state of mind to get to this properly so I'll respond to 471 tomorrow morning but Satan, town isn't a claim. A claim is a role like roleblocker or goon. So what role are you?

[SafetyDance]

Votecount 1.8

SatanHellYeah (3): Regfan, Skelda, , Ranawey

Nominull (3): Mr_Ree, 2Pac, TheFuzzylogic99

skelda (1):

SatanHellYeah

Regfan (1):

sthar8

2Pac (1):

Nominull

Not voting

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-09-25 09:00:00). With 9 players, it's 5 to lynch.