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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:53 pm

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I must admit I'm not paying a whole lot of attention as of late. Before I lost interest, my biggest suspicions were on wolfsbane and DP. I always think wolfsbane is scum though, so I don't know how much stock I put into my feeling on that at this point.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:21 pm

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chamber, there is almost certainly a SK. If there were 3 scum then they would have won by now. Lets lynch DP unless he wants to claim SK.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:45 pm

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OK, let's speed this up, as it seems unavoidable anyway. I indeed am the serial killer.

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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:44 pm

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I'm wondering about the scum gambit option...Coincidence that Fritzler proxied his vote to Pooky (scum) and BrizzyBoi...now EyeofMordor (mason partner?) What better way to get the SK out in the open?
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:29 pm

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Given the set-up with power roles and day start, there should be two scum (not one) remaining in addition to me as SK. I highly doubt that the two scum would try a mason gambit, as the chance of one of them getting killed (and the other exposed) by me during the night is too high.

So we have two masons, one townie or role blocker, two mafia and me.

Lynching me is suicidal for the town (just like to point that out).


Wolfsbane and Mariyta are the most likely mafia for me.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:33 am

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The only problem is that if the masons are telling the truth then chamber can't be a pro-town roleblocker, but oh well.
What do all you innocent townies think about no-lynch?
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:59 am

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No lynch would get us a free kill with DP, but we'd also most likely lose him. No way the mafia would keep him alive. And assuming he doesn't get scum, it puts us at 4....

So basically, I'm not sure what I think about it at this point. :P
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:31 am

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Scenario 1: we lynch scum today. Left: 2 masons, 1 town, 1 mafia, 1 SK.
Of course, the remaining mafia and myself will not target one another, as that gives the game to the town.
In fact, best play is for us to take out the masons
(I'll kill Fritzler)
, leading to a 1/1/1 deadlock townie/mafia/SK during the day, and then play for a draw by both targeting the last townie at night - with the townie hoping that the mafia and I will try to be clever and target one another hoping for a win and handing it to the town.

Scenario 2: we lynch the last townie. I shoot a mafia. The mafia cannot shoot me, because that would leave two masons and a mafia for the next day. They must take out a mason, leading to the same 1/1/1 deadlock as above.

IF we still have a role blocker, of course things get way more complicated.

Handing out a free kill by no lynch is ridiculous.

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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:44 am

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hmmm, if chambers telling the truth, and i think he is, then he can block dp

but dp might be lying, and his buddy could be make the kill along with the real sk
and the mafia has to realize dp has to kill mafia

hmmm
decisions, decisions
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:19 am

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Fritzler wrote:hmmm, if chambers telling the truth, and i think he is, then he can block dp

but dp might be lying, and his buddy could be make the kill along with the real sk
and the mafia has to realize dp has to kill mafia

hmmm
decisions, decisions
So, you still think I'm scum? If you're a mason and we have 2 scum plus an SK then chamber is not a pro-town roleblocker. I'm not entirely convinced DP is the real SK either though...
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:32 am

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No way I will intentionally go into a 1/1/1 endgame. Then the Mafia and the SK kill the Townie and split points. If DP isn't the SK then he will die tonight. That is good.
I think we should decide to lynch either Mariyta or wolfsbane. Leave chamber alive. If he is a rb then he can block DP. If DP really is SK there will only be 1 kill. We could also have DP target chamber and have chamber RB him. That way if either chamber or DP is lying it will be known.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:36 am

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EBWODP: Forgot to
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:38 am

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Is there any way for town to win? Everything I see means the scum will tie w/ the SK, assuming Chamber is lying.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:18 pm

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Mariyta wrote:Is there any way for town to win? Everything I see means the scum will tie w/ the SK, assuming Chamber is lying.
In a surpising development, James Bond, former top British spy, joins forces with SPECTRE to begin plans for world domination using the Solar Disruptor. :shock:
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:01 pm

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See my analysis. If the town does not have a role blocker you cannot avoid the 1/1/1 end game I think.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:48 pm

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wolfsbane wrote:The only problem is that if the masons are telling the truth then chamber can't be a pro-town roleblocker, but oh well.
Maybe I'm dim, but could you explain this?
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:34 pm

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Well, I can't expect you to believe my explanation but...
Since I am a townie, if the masons are really masons then that means Mariyta, chamber, and you are the remaining scum. Assuming that there really are two mafia left, of course.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:25 pm

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Oh, so i was not dim. Good.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:01 am

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Could one of the masons be mason scum? I don't know how that works, but people always talk about the possibility.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:08 am

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TheEyeOfMordor wrote:No way I will intentionally go into a 1/1/1 endgame. Then the Mafia and the SK kill the Townie and split points. If DP isn't the SK then he will die tonight. That is good.
I think we should decide to lynch either Mariyta or wolfsbane. Leave chamber alive. If he is a rb then he can block DP. If DP really is SK there will only be 1 kill. We could also have DP target chamber and have chamber RB him. That way if either chamber or DP is lying it will be known.
Does not work. In this scenario we assumedly lynch a mafia (W or M) - if the lynch victim is town you do not have a role blocker anyway. But say we lynch scum, then even if chamber is a role blocker and blocks me, the remaining scum will kill a mason, leaving mason/role blocker/scum/SK for a no-lynch the next day. Both scum and I target the role blocker the next night who cannot block us both, and we are once more in the 1/1/1 endgame.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:16 am

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Mariyta wrote:Could one of the masons be mason scum? I don't know how that works, but people always talk about the possibility.
The phrase "clutching at straws" seems appropriate here, scumbag.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:19 am

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Or asking a simple question?
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:56 am

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ok we're lynching mariyta, and the RBer is blocking dp

there will only be one kill if the RBer is telling the truth

if not we know he's scum, and there are three people alive, andwe have to hope there was a cross kill tonight

if he's telling the truth, its not too hard to figure out whose the play tomorrow, we lynch one, block the next one and lynch him
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:06 am

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Good luck with that.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:11 am

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Both wolfsbain and mariyta are likely scum anyway.
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