526: M.A.D. Mafia II. GAME OVER.
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You know thinking the whole thing over while I was on vacation I feel that the argument between flameaxe and I could very well be myself and another townie arguing with each other. I know that I was looking for a reaction from flameaxe to me roleblocking him, as well as the reactions of the other players, but when flameaxe responded with a great job idiot I got a little asshatty myself and attacked him for saying what he said rather than necessarily because it made him look scummy. What I do know is that I got reactions from no one but flameaxe to what I did and while he and I argued it was strangely convenient that no one jumped in at all saying that we both made excellent arguments and to give more support.
The support is what gets me looking back at it. We both took the posts of the other and did our best to make them fit the case we were trying to build, in a few cases (for both of us) ignoring context of what was said, and both cases have holes in them that I can see.
If I am right in my thinking now here is whats up. Stark is either the third townie or an extremly patient scum in a lylo situation, and Zoneace is either an absent townie or an absent scum, but what makes this lylo situation unique is that it still requires 3 to lynch so a scum couldn't jump on a wagon and end the game. If my scenario is correct then Stark or Zoneace have been waiting for the other to vote so they could end the game, while not saying much of anything (notice the posts from them have been contentless since we started arguing).
The thing with choosing flameaxe was an interesting decision because I wanted to see his reaction to my choice, but I was more looking to see the other two's reaction to my choice. But since flame and I were on when I announced it we started arguing right away and the others got to skate by.
Just some thoughts as I reread today.
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Also I am certain that this will be called backtracking by someone, but at this point its what I have, and its the truth, take it for what you will.
The support is what gets me looking back at it. We both took the posts of the other and did our best to make them fit the case we were trying to build, in a few cases (for both of us) ignoring context of what was said, and both cases have holes in them that I can see.
If I am right in my thinking now here is whats up. Stark is either the third townie or an extremly patient scum in a lylo situation, and Zoneace is either an absent townie or an absent scum, but what makes this lylo situation unique is that it still requires 3 to lynch so a scum couldn't jump on a wagon and end the game. If my scenario is correct then Stark or Zoneace have been waiting for the other to vote so they could end the game, while not saying much of anything (notice the posts from them have been contentless since we started arguing).
The thing with choosing flameaxe was an interesting decision because I wanted to see his reaction to my choice, but I was more looking to see the other two's reaction to my choice. But since flame and I were on when I announced it we started arguing right away and the others got to skate by.
Just some thoughts as I reread today.
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unvote flameaxe
.Also I am certain that this will be called backtracking by someone, but at this point its what I have, and its the truth, take it for what you will.
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You're completely correct, DoS. Here's the thing, though.DragonsofSummer wrote:You know thinking the whole thing over while I was on vacation I feel that the argument between flameaxe and I could very well be myself and another townie arguing with each other. I know that I was looking for a reaction from flameaxe to me roleblocking him, as well as the reactions of the other players, but when flameaxe responded with a great job idiot I got a little asshatty myself and attacked him for saying what he said rather than necessarily because it made him look scummy. What I do know is that I got reactions from no one but flameaxe to what I did and while he and I argued it was strangely convenient that no one jumped in at all saying that we both made excellent arguments and to give more support.
The support is what gets me looking back at it. We both took the posts of the other and did our best to make them fit the case we were trying to build, in a few cases (for both of us) ignoring context of what was said, and both cases have holes in them that I can see.
If I am right in my thinking now here is whats up. Stark is either the third townie or an extremly patient scum in a lylo situation, and Zoneace is either an absent townie or an absent scum, but what makes this lylo situation unique is that it still requires 3 to lynch so a scum couldn't jump on a wagon and end the game. If my scenario is correct then Stark or Zoneace have been waiting for the other to vote so they could end the game, while not saying much of anything (notice the posts from them have been contentless since we started arguing).
The thing with choosing flameaxe was an interesting decision because I wanted to see his reaction to my choice, but I was more looking to see the other two's reaction to my choice. But since flame and I were on when I announced it we started arguing right away and the others got to skate by.
Just some thoughts as I reread today.
Alsounvote flameaxe.
Also I am certain that this will be called backtracking by someone, but at this point its what I have, and its the truth, take it for what you will.
In regards to no one else making a fuss over blocking Flameaxe, I can't speak for Zoneace, but I made no remark of it becaue you explained yourself very clearly in 429, and I agree with you.
In regards to supporting the ensuing argument: We are in endgame comrades, and have no definitive leads. Any dialogue is progress for the town.
You are right though, in the sense that Zoneace, Flameaxe, yourself and myself could all be scum. So we are essentially nowhere.
And I don't think it's backtracking DoS. You've made a very valid point. The problem is that from here, we have nowhere to go.
And this thread needs more Zoneace.
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Ok, so here's the thing, Flameaxe isn't scum. That much im convinced of.
Stark is hard to get much of a read on because he hasn't really participated that much, (especially in relation to flameaxe). My first instinct is that he isn't scum.
DoS. This is the direction im leaning. He's lurked hard core for one. but it what's below that really bothers me.
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I realize this isn't enough to base a vote on but DoS is really the only one i think it can be.
Stark is hard to get much of a read on because he hasn't really participated that much, (especially in relation to flameaxe). My first instinct is that he isn't scum.
DoS. This is the direction im leaning. He's lurked hard core for one. but it what's below that really bothers me.
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Followed by this oneDragonsofSummer wrote:Me thinks a nuke launch might get some discussion going, but I don't want to waste a nuke...
don't jive. They are actually contradictory. Its like he said he didn't want waste any nukes before he knew what his claim was gonna be, which makes the claim look fake. The RBing is possibly true but if he was a RB why would he block axe, instead of me, or the other lurker Stark. Blocking axe make him look like a scum blocker.DragonsofSummer wrote:Alright. Sorry I was absent today everybody...
First. I am the United States.
I have10 nukes.
I realize this isn't enough to base a vote on but DoS is really the only one i think it can be.
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OBJECTION!DragonsofSummer wrote:Not I don't want to waste a nuke as in I have so few, but I don't want to waste a nuke as in I don't want to hit a townie with it.
In your prior testimony you stated the following things.
You are saying that a nuke would help the game at the moment, but you don't want to waste a nuke. Now when you say this there is only one way to take it, that you didn't want to use one. And then...Me thinks a nuke launch might get some discussion going, but I don't want to waste a nuke...
I don't know about you guys, but I don't see any sort of worry about the launch, as he is trying to express he had.Anyway, hopefully some discussion will be stirred by your nuke launch.
Yet another post by DoS that points more to him trying to get out of the hole he dug himself. He claims that he didn't want to waste a nuke by hitting a townie, but did absolutely nothing when it came to UA's nuke. If you were so worried about a nuke hitting a townie, wouldn't it make sense to...I dunno...show a bit of worry? I think you were just thinking about yourself getting found out when you nuked a townie, and that it would make you look bad, but that's just me.
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OBJECTION!
There is very little I could do about a nuke launch. Therefore when one was launched all I could hope for is that something informative would come out of it. It is useless to worry about something you have no control over, and you are trying to make what I said fit what you are saying as opposed to looking at it objectively.
(Also as a complete aside, yay for Phoenix Wright!)
There is very little I could do about a nuke launch. Therefore when one was launched all I could hope for is that something informative would come out of it. It is useless to worry about something you have no control over, and you are trying to make what I said fit what you are saying as opposed to looking at it objectively.
(Also as a complete aside, yay for Phoenix Wright!)
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FINAL VOTECOUNT:
3: Dragon of Summer (Stark, Zoneace, Flameaxe)
Not Voting: Dragon of Summer.
DRAGON OF SUMMER HAS BEEN LYNCHED.
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In a hidden, undisclosed location, the handfull of people who were left representing nations that still existed met in one, final, UN meeting. News reports rolled in, none of them good. Large numbers of oil wells in what was left of the Middle East were burining; no one knew who had lit them on fire or why, but the smoke and ash from the fires made the air hard to breathe as far away as Europe and Russia. Most of South America was in a state of complete anarchy. A combination of famines, extreme poverty, and a new influenza epedemic were reported all over the world.
"We have the proof right here" the representitive from France said. "It is actually the United States that is supplying the terrorists with weapons!"
"No! That's absurd!" yelled the representitive from the US. However, the representive from France produced evidence after evidence, and very quickly, the other UN delegates were convinced.
"What should we do?" Asked Flameaxe, the representitive from Poland.
"Well, first, we..."
...
Most of the United States army was still in dissarray and was demoralized after the mostly pointless occupation of Poland that had recently ended, to no apparent gain for anyone, and their economy was nearly as devistated as anyone else's. So when the group of UN troops went into major US cities and started giving out food and emergency supplies to the poor, no one thought it was strange. That is, until a critical number of 20,000 UN troops in Washington DC, LA, and what was left of New York suddenly turned their guns on the government. The police and the secret service never had a chance to stop them, and the entire federal government of the United States was captured by the UN occupying force before the American army even had a chance to react.
...
With most of the armed forces of the survivng world powers tied up in the United States, the revolution spread up all over the world. New World Order party members overthrew the governments of Poland and Israel; the supply lines to their millitary forces collapsed, and what was once a carefully orginised occupation of the United States collapsed into roaving groups of soldiers pillaging for food, fighting each other, and getting picked off in a country where a very high percentage of the citizens had guns. The last vestigates of order collapsed everywhere except in countries under control of the New World Order.
Stark, the president of France and the leader of the New World Order party, gave a speech in front of the members of the world:
"We have much work ahead of us still, but there is no force left in the world that can stop us. We all can now see the dangers of having so many different millitary forces, so many different counties and nations and states, so many unstable, unpredictable democracies and inefficent, dangerous so-called "freedoms". From now on, on this planet, there will be One Government, One Party, One World, and the threat of nuclear war will be elimated forever!"
The crowd of more then a million gathered around to hear him all chanted in unison..."New...World...Order.........New....World...Order...."
3: Dragon of Summer (Stark, Zoneace, Flameaxe)
Not Voting: Dragon of Summer.
DRAGON OF SUMMER HAS BEEN LYNCHED.
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In a hidden, undisclosed location, the handfull of people who were left representing nations that still existed met in one, final, UN meeting. News reports rolled in, none of them good. Large numbers of oil wells in what was left of the Middle East were burining; no one knew who had lit them on fire or why, but the smoke and ash from the fires made the air hard to breathe as far away as Europe and Russia. Most of South America was in a state of complete anarchy. A combination of famines, extreme poverty, and a new influenza epedemic were reported all over the world.
"We have the proof right here" the representitive from France said. "It is actually the United States that is supplying the terrorists with weapons!"
"No! That's absurd!" yelled the representitive from the US. However, the representive from France produced evidence after evidence, and very quickly, the other UN delegates were convinced.
"What should we do?" Asked Flameaxe, the representitive from Poland.
"Well, first, we..."
...
Most of the United States army was still in dissarray and was demoralized after the mostly pointless occupation of Poland that had recently ended, to no apparent gain for anyone, and their economy was nearly as devistated as anyone else's. So when the group of UN troops went into major US cities and started giving out food and emergency supplies to the poor, no one thought it was strange. That is, until a critical number of 20,000 UN troops in Washington DC, LA, and what was left of New York suddenly turned their guns on the government. The police and the secret service never had a chance to stop them, and the entire federal government of the United States was captured by the UN occupying force before the American army even had a chance to react.
Dragon of Summer (United States, pro-town Millitary Superpower) has been lynched
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With most of the armed forces of the survivng world powers tied up in the United States, the revolution spread up all over the world. New World Order party members overthrew the governments of Poland and Israel; the supply lines to their millitary forces collapsed, and what was once a carefully orginised occupation of the United States collapsed into roaving groups of soldiers pillaging for food, fighting each other, and getting picked off in a country where a very high percentage of the citizens had guns. The last vestigates of order collapsed everywhere except in countries under control of the New World Order.
Stark, the president of France and the leader of the New World Order party, gave a speech in front of the members of the world:
"We have much work ahead of us still, but there is no force left in the world that can stop us. We all can now see the dangers of having so many different millitary forces, so many different counties and nations and states, so many unstable, unpredictable democracies and inefficent, dangerous so-called "freedoms". From now on, on this planet, there will be One Government, One Party, One World, and the threat of nuclear war will be elimated forever!"
The crowd of more then a million gathered around to hear him all chanted in unison..."New...World...Order.........New....World...Order...."
The New World Order group (Stark, ChaosOmega, schismatized) having sucessfully taken over the world without destroying it, has won!
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
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Flameaxe. You are Poland (pro-town, anti-missile defense system)
You have 0 nukes.
You have had an anti-missile defense system installed in your country, which has a chance at intercepting a small number of ICBM’s. Therefore, once per game, once someone has launched ICBM’s at another player (including at you), you may (quickly) PM the mod in order to launch anti-missile missiles at them to shoot them down. This may or may not work, but it at least has a chance of protecting the target. Note that you can only do this once per game, and also note that you MUST do this in the 48 hour period between the ICBM being launched and it hitting its target. If you do not PM the mod within that time frame, it is too late.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
UltimaAvalon. You are India. (pro-town)
You have 3 nukes.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
Mr. Flay. You are the UN human rights committee. (pro-town cop)
You have 0 nukes.
Each night, you may investigate to see if a player is a bad guy or not.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
Albert B. Rampage You are China. (pro-town)
You have 4 nukes.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
JDodge You are Russia (pro-town)
You have 9 nukes
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
ZONEACE You are Israel (pro-town)
You have 2 nukes.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
ChaosOmega You are International Terrorism (New World Order Scum, Godfather)
You have 0 nukes.
Safe claim: Pakistan.
You are part of the New World Order scum group, with stark (France, 2 nukes) and schismatized Great Britain, 3 nukes). New World Order is a worldwide secret political movement, with many supporters in positions of power all throughout the world; members of your group know that the only way to save the human race from nuclear war is to have it ruled part of a single world government, and you have decided that, for the good of everyone, your group needs to take over the world yourselves.
Each night, you may commit a terrorist act against someone, roleblocking them. You are also immune to all night actions; any attempt to do a night action against you will fail.
Each night, one member of your scumgroup may night kill another player. This is a “normal” nightkill and does not use nukes. Please state both who the target is and which one of you is performing the kill. You may talk at night with the other members of your scumgroup.
You win if you END a day or a night with more then 50% of the survivors being members of your scum group.
Archaist You are The Mafia (pro-town, arms dealer)
You currently have 0 nukes.
You are the international crime syndicate, a worldwide network of organized crime groups, including the Mafia, the Russian mob, and several other major groups. You like the international order as it, as you are pretty sure that if an international totalitarian evil world government took over it’d be much harder to get away with most of the stuff you’re currently making money off of, so for a change of pace you’ve decided to help the good guys beat the bad guys.
Each night, you may attempt to steal nuclear weapons from one country, and then sell some of them to a second country to turn a profit on the deal. You may send the mod two names; the country you’re stealing nukes from, and the country you’re selling nukes to. If the country you’re targeting has no nukes, it will fail; if he has one nuke, you will steal it from him and sell it to the third country, and if he has at least 2 nukes, you will steal 2 nukes from him, keep one, and sell the other to the third country. (In other words, if you say “Steal from X, sell to Y”, then X loses 2 nukes, you gain 1 nuke, and Y gains 1 nuke.) You must name two other players in order to use this ability; you may not target only one player with it.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
schismatized You are the United Kingdom {New World Order Scum)
You have 3 nukes
You are part of the New World Order scum group, with stark (France, 2 nukes) and ChaosOmega (International Terrorism, Godfather, 0 nukes). New World Order is a worldwide secret political movement, with many supporters in positions of power all throughout the world; members of your group know that the only way to save the human race from nuclear war is to have it ruled part of a single world government, and you have decided that, for the good of everyone, your group needs to take over the world yourselves..
Each night, one member of your scumgroup may night kill another player. This is a “normal” nightkill and does not use nukes. Please state both who the target is and which one of you is performing the kill. You may talk at night with the other members of your scumgroup.
You win if you END a day or a night with more then 50% of the survivors being members of your scum group.
Xdaamno You are North Korea (pro-town)
You have 1 nuke.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
DragonsofSummer You are The United States of America (pro-town, military superpower)
You have 10 nukes.
Once per game, as a night action, you can invade and occupy another country. This will keep them busy for the next day/night cycle, during which time they won’t be able to do any night actions or launch any nuclear weapon; after that, popular opinion will force you to bring your army home and prevent you from using this ability again for the rest of the game. However, if you use this ability you will become a miller; using it will make you internationally distrusted, and so if anyone investigates you after you use the ability you will appear to be a bad guy to them.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
Stark You are France (New World Order Scum)
You have 2 nukes.
You are part of the New World Order scum group, with schismatized (Great Britain, 3 nukes) and ChaosOmega International Terrorism, Godfather, 0 nukes). New World Order is a worldwide secret political movement, with many supporters in positions of power all throughout the world; members of your group know that the only way to save the human race from nuclear war is to have it ruled part of a single world government, and you have decided that, for the good of everyone, your group needs to take over the world yourselves.
Each night, one member of your scumgroup may night kill another player. This is a “normal” nightkill and does not use nukes. Please state both who the target is and which one of you is performing the kill. You may talk at night with the other members of your scumgroup.
You win if you END a day or a night with more then 50% of the survivors being members of your scum group.
Flameaxe. You are Poland (pro-town, anti-missile defense system)
You have 0 nukes.
You have had an anti-missile defense system installed in your country, which has a chance at intercepting a small number of ICBM’s. Therefore, once per game, once someone has launched ICBM’s at another player (including at you), you may (quickly) PM the mod in order to launch anti-missile missiles at them to shoot them down. This may or may not work, but it at least has a chance of protecting the target. Note that you can only do this once per game, and also note that you MUST do this in the 48 hour period between the ICBM being launched and it hitting its target. If you do not PM the mod within that time frame, it is too late.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
UltimaAvalon. You are India. (pro-town)
You have 3 nukes.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
Mr. Flay. You are the UN human rights committee. (pro-town cop)
You have 0 nukes.
Each night, you may investigate to see if a player is a bad guy or not.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
Albert B. Rampage You are China. (pro-town)
You have 4 nukes.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
JDodge You are Russia (pro-town)
You have 9 nukes
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
ZONEACE You are Israel (pro-town)
You have 2 nukes.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
ChaosOmega You are International Terrorism (New World Order Scum, Godfather)
You have 0 nukes.
Safe claim: Pakistan.
You are part of the New World Order scum group, with stark (France, 2 nukes) and schismatized Great Britain, 3 nukes). New World Order is a worldwide secret political movement, with many supporters in positions of power all throughout the world; members of your group know that the only way to save the human race from nuclear war is to have it ruled part of a single world government, and you have decided that, for the good of everyone, your group needs to take over the world yourselves.
Each night, you may commit a terrorist act against someone, roleblocking them. You are also immune to all night actions; any attempt to do a night action against you will fail.
Each night, one member of your scumgroup may night kill another player. This is a “normal” nightkill and does not use nukes. Please state both who the target is and which one of you is performing the kill. You may talk at night with the other members of your scumgroup.
You win if you END a day or a night with more then 50% of the survivors being members of your scum group.
Archaist You are The Mafia (pro-town, arms dealer)
You currently have 0 nukes.
You are the international crime syndicate, a worldwide network of organized crime groups, including the Mafia, the Russian mob, and several other major groups. You like the international order as it, as you are pretty sure that if an international totalitarian evil world government took over it’d be much harder to get away with most of the stuff you’re currently making money off of, so for a change of pace you’ve decided to help the good guys beat the bad guys.
Each night, you may attempt to steal nuclear weapons from one country, and then sell some of them to a second country to turn a profit on the deal. You may send the mod two names; the country you’re stealing nukes from, and the country you’re selling nukes to. If the country you’re targeting has no nukes, it will fail; if he has one nuke, you will steal it from him and sell it to the third country, and if he has at least 2 nukes, you will steal 2 nukes from him, keep one, and sell the other to the third country. (In other words, if you say “Steal from X, sell to Y”, then X loses 2 nukes, you gain 1 nuke, and Y gains 1 nuke.) You must name two other players in order to use this ability; you may not target only one player with it.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
mod note: can sell to scum godfather, but can not steal from him
schismatized You are the United Kingdom {New World Order Scum)
You have 3 nukes
You are part of the New World Order scum group, with stark (France, 2 nukes) and ChaosOmega (International Terrorism, Godfather, 0 nukes). New World Order is a worldwide secret political movement, with many supporters in positions of power all throughout the world; members of your group know that the only way to save the human race from nuclear war is to have it ruled part of a single world government, and you have decided that, for the good of everyone, your group needs to take over the world yourselves..
Each night, one member of your scumgroup may night kill another player. This is a “normal” nightkill and does not use nukes. Please state both who the target is and which one of you is performing the kill. You may talk at night with the other members of your scumgroup.
You win if you END a day or a night with more then 50% of the survivors being members of your scum group.
Xdaamno You are North Korea (pro-town)
You have 1 nuke.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
DragonsofSummer You are The United States of America (pro-town, military superpower)
You have 10 nukes.
Once per game, as a night action, you can invade and occupy another country. This will keep them busy for the next day/night cycle, during which time they won’t be able to do any night actions or launch any nuclear weapon; after that, popular opinion will force you to bring your army home and prevent you from using this ability again for the rest of the game. However, if you use this ability you will become a miller; using it will make you internationally distrusted, and so if anyone investigates you after you use the ability you will appear to be a bad guy to them.
You win if the bad guys are defeated without the world being destroyed with nuclear weapons.
mod note: happens before scum roleblocker ability happens; that is, if they both target each other the same night, the United States ability wins
Stark You are France (New World Order Scum)
You have 2 nukes.
You are part of the New World Order scum group, with schismatized (Great Britain, 3 nukes) and ChaosOmega International Terrorism, Godfather, 0 nukes). New World Order is a worldwide secret political movement, with many supporters in positions of power all throughout the world; members of your group know that the only way to save the human race from nuclear war is to have it ruled part of a single world government, and you have decided that, for the good of everyone, your group needs to take over the world yourselves.
Each night, one member of your scumgroup may night kill another player. This is a “normal” nightkill and does not use nukes. Please state both who the target is and which one of you is performing the kill. You may talk at night with the other members of your scumgroup.
You win if you END a day or a night with more then 50% of the survivors being members of your scum group.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
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