[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Persivul]

rb (L-4)

: Lamees, Leodanny, Egix96

Lamees (L-4)

: Malakitty, YyottaCat, Persivul

Leodanny (L-6)

: Thor665

DVa (L-6)

: NotNova

Dunnstral (L-6)

: rb

NotNova (L-6)

: DVa

YyottaCat (L-6)

: Dunnstral

Something_Smart, Auro

@mod: is Angel REQUIRED to use the smite if lynched?

[Lamees]

I already said in 419 that it applies to everyone. Only thing differing me from a VT is the smite part. Which I would prefer to use later. What you are arguing is that because I claimed, I could be scum that's lying.

Everyone claims to be town and could be scum lying.

[Persivul]

Meh, you've probably bought yourself one day, but this isn't over.

[MiniDeathStar]

Clarification:

An angel is required to smite if lynched. Given that day smiting only kills scum, not smiting will be equivalent to game throwing, which is not allowed.

[Persivul]

I already said in 419 that it applies to everyone. Only thing differing me from a VT is the smite part. Which I would prefer to use later. What you are arguing is that because I claimed, I could be scum that's lying.

Yep.

Everyone claims to be town and could be scum lying.

Yeah, but no one else went and claimed for no good reason.

[NotNova]

Sorry guys, V/LA went for longer than I expected, been a really busy week for me. I'll catch up in a minute — ask if you want me to weigh in on anything specific.

[NotNova]

Wanna sort this slot early, I know from experience I have difficulty gauging Auro's alignment properly.

Are you referring to the recent Dethy game?
Who else on this playerlist do you have completed games with?
How will an early wagon on me help you sort me?

Lamees, DVa, Yyotta, Thor, Malakittens, Egix and you, which is, what, half the playerlist?

As it happens I stalked a lot of your games — and I didn't do so well at guessing.

I wanna be cheeky and say "same way it does everyone else", but I'll be specific and say I want to see your reactions to a wagon building up on you.

I think Auro is townleaning with all the questioning ATM, don't like the non-serious content by DVa (ex. her last post). Agree it feels LAMIST, wanna see a push there.

I see there was some talk about this post and I acknowledge there's a bit of ambiguity (gotta learn not to make big statements late when my vocabulary goes down the gutter).

Avoiding buzzwords, let's try explaining what was on my mind:
I generally do not like it when someone explicates they're town too much - I don't think it's a very productive thing to do with your time, as it does nothing to progress the game. I saw a bit of that in DVa's posting up until that point. In addition, "chummy" behavior in the RVS stage raises minor flags with me as it plays to player bias of friendly or likeable players seeming towny, while again not really doing anything productive.

Reads on both Auro and DVa were very thin but at that stage of the game I felt it was a good enough reason to shift votes. If someone has issues with this explanation, they can go ahead and tell me - I'll try to reevaluate these (as well as other slots) continuing my catch-up.

[DVa]

NN why is Mala a better vote than you rn?

[NotNova]

It kinda bugs me that he starts off with the "man I have a hard time sorting Auro" and then changes votes to me and says townlean on Auro with exactly 0 additional interaction. Like Auro asking a few questions does not make his alignment obvious so I kinda feel like NN's development over his whopping 3 posts actually does not look very townie

I have a hard time sorting Auro because I tend to find he plays to the perception of "towny" I have in my head regardless of alignment - playing loud, asking lots of questions, trying to pursue minor issues incessantly, that sort of thing. My call was (and still is) for anyone who thinks they can crack this to help me out in this case. If you disagree that Auro is playing towny, feel free to point out why. Apparently a fairly good tell for him is recognizing a bit of a "stiff" tone, but that's not something I'm very good at judging.

Incidentally I think that's how Thor tends to play as well and it's probably why they got into their little spat the way they did - two players with a bulldog bite not letting go and you get a few pages of content. Something very similar happened in this newbie game, where Thor and Reundo went for it for pages upon pages - and they were both town.

That said though, it comes down to a player (Auro) doing things I find towny (even if I'm not very sure about them) vs a player I think is doing something minorly scummy (DVa). I think that was good enough rationale to switch votes at the point in the game.

[NotNova]

NN why is Mala a better vote than you rn?

...not sure where you're going with this? I don't think I ever mentioned Mala in my posts.

[NotNova]

@Lamees, can you give me a quick rundown of why you thought claiming Angel was a good idea?

[DVa]

...not sure where you're going with this? I don't think I ever mentioned Mala in my posts.

Yeah I know I'm basically asking you to give a read of Mala since if I'm not voting you I'm voting her. Why should I be voting Mala over you, from your POV?

[NotNova]

...not sure where you're going with this? I don't think I ever mentioned Mala in my posts.

Yeah I know I'm basically asking you to give a read of Mala since if I'm not voting you I'm voting her. Why should I be voting Mala over you, from your POV?

I'm looking at Mala's ISO and I don't find anything very objectionable, the reads are explained with at least decent reasoning. The only problem is that the reads aren't developed but I don't think that's a huge problem. Or are you just pushing null reads?

Frankly I'd rather you keep your vote on me if you're not 100% sure. Do you think my explanations were satisfactory or not?

[NotNova]

...not sure where you're going with this? I don't think I ever mentioned Mala in my posts.

Yeah I know I'm basically asking you to give a read of Mala since if I'm not voting you I'm voting her. Why should I be voting Mala over you, from your POV?

I'm looking at Mala's ISO and I don't find anything very objectionable, the reads are explained with at least decent reasoning. The only problem is that the reads aren't developed but I don't think that's a huge problem. Or are you just pushing null reads?

Frankly I'd rather you keep your vote on me if you're not 100% sure. Do you think my explanations were satisfactory or not?

Just to clarify - why is it me vs Mala in the first place? Do you think we're unlikely to be scum together or something? Is it PoE from townreads? Talk to me a bit about that.

[DVa]

I'm looking for people who I see little reason to townread right now. We have a lot of annoying lynchbaity players right now so I'm more interested in players with noncommittal attitudes tbh

Not entirely sure I follow your reasoning on why you would prefer my vote to be on you if Mala is basically null to you

[NotNova]

I'm looking for people who I see little reason to townread right now. We have a lot of annoying lynchbaity players right now so I'm more interested in players with noncommittal attitudes tbh

Not entirely sure I follow your reasoning on why you would prefer my vote to be on you if Mala is basically null to you

You couldn't sort me because I wasn't around — so let's make up for lost time until you're satisfied. If your presented nullpool is {me, Mala} that only matters when we run up for a final lynch.

Essentially I'd rather you not keep me null. Do you think there are any players you find scummy/towny enough to have an opinion on, outside of us two?

[Dunnstral]

I'm against a lamees lynch today

[rb]

mala is a terrible lynch

[DVa]

mala is a terrible lynch

why?

[rb]

because it's not a dunnstral lynch

[rb]

also because mala's likely town

[rb]

more dunnstral votes please

[Auro]

Game Mechanics

If an angel is lynched, the smite resolves during twilight and before nightfall.
Ghosts cannot affect the outcome of smiting during the day.

Guys, this means we *can* use Lamees' day smite as a cop (barring immortals) since the ghost can't frame someone, right?

[DVa]

also because mala's likely town

mala is a terrible lynch

why?

fyi Voting Lamees is not a reason for Mala to be likely town

[rb]

entered game, made multiple good observations, placed good vote when other more opportunistic votes were there to be had and plenty of fluff to talk about yet didn't. made no attempt to 'look' town, just did town things