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Pre-flip associations have just hit the thread by storm. Heavy weather ahead.

In post 442, LolWagons wrote:

In post 435, Mewtaph wrote:You said last time to get a raincheck on your thoughts that I was going to get lynched, flip red and you were going to get NKed. Bold statement, except you're proving that you don't actually believe in it as much as that should 100% imply because at this point you aren't even the main effort pushing it forward, I've felt more pressure from Sheep than I have from you the entire game, low key.

For someone that suggests boldness, I am not getting any of it from you. Reconsideration, no. So then what the fuck are you pushing? Your Trekkie approach is easily fakeable. Your approach to me is sus as fuck. I definitely need more than this before I just completely leave it and move on.

It's sketchy as; I need a good explanation or you can take my vote and run with it straight into the lynching noose.

@Trekkie: How do you feel about how LolWagons has interacted with you?

That was on page 5... are you seriously implying what I said on page 5 is still what I currently believe?

And why leave out the part where I said that it was only page 5 and who knows what will change? Why frame it like I was being bold?

This is a clumsy push.

No, but your response isn't very good either.

In post 449, LolWagons wrote:And, for the record, if you do happen to flip town, that doesn’t mean that Mew is suddenly town.

If I hadn't said it first, I don't think you'd be saying that in the morning.

In post 452, Trekkie99 wrote:

In post 449, LolWagons wrote:And, for the record, if you do happen to flip town, that doesn’t mean that Mew is suddenly town.

If I hadn't said it first, I don't think you'd be saying that in the morning.

I’ve been pushing Mew since page 2, what makes you think you-town would abandon my read of him?

In post 451, Mewtaph wrote:

In post 442, LolWagons wrote:

In post 435, Mewtaph wrote:You said last time to get a raincheck on your thoughts that I was going to get lynched, flip red and you were going to get NKed. Bold statement, except you're proving that you don't actually believe in it as much as that should 100% imply because at this point you aren't even the main effort pushing it forward, I've felt more pressure from Sheep than I have from you the entire game, low key.

For someone that suggests boldness, I am not getting any of it from you. Reconsideration, no. So then what the fuck are you pushing? Your Trekkie approach is easily fakeable. Your approach to me is sus as fuck. I definitely need more than this before I just completely leave it and move on.

It's sketchy as; I need a good explanation or you can take my vote and run with it straight into the lynching noose.

@Trekkie: How do you feel about how LolWagons has interacted with you?

That was on page 5... are you seriously implying what I said on page 5 is still what I currently believe?

And why leave out the part where I said that it was only page 5 and who knows what will change? Why frame it like I was being bold?

This is a clumsy push.

No, but your response isn't very good either.

Do you want to address any of my points or just throw vague shade at me?

What about my above response isn’t good? What point of yours did I not address?

Well I won't say my claim isn't far fetched, but I like it so I'm sticking with it.

VOTE: lolwagons

In post 455, Trekkie99 wrote:Well I won't say my claim isn't far fetched, but I like it so I'm sticking with it.

VOTE: lolwagons

So if I understand correctly, you think Mew and I are scum together. Mew has 1-2 votes (replacements are making it hard to count these votes) on him and you’re at L-1. Instead of going onto his wagon you go onto mine, which as far as I can tell, is empty. You don’t directly engage with Mew but you engage with me.

Am I on the right track here?

In post 453, LolWagons wrote:

In post 452, Trekkie99 wrote:

In post 449, LolWagons wrote:And, for the record, if you do happen to flip town, that doesn’t mean that Mew is suddenly town.

If I hadn't said it first, I don't think you'd be saying that in the morning.

I’ve been pushing Mew since page 2, what makes you think you-town would abandon my read of him?

Maybe you wouldn't. Maybe you'd keep up your charades all while knowing that people might take your claim less seriously.

In post 457, Trekkie99 wrote:

In post 453, LolWagons wrote:

In post 452, Trekkie99 wrote:

In post 449, LolWagons wrote:And, for the record, if you do happen to flip town, that doesn’t mean that Mew is suddenly town.

If I hadn't said it first, I don't think you'd be saying that in the morning.

I’ve been pushing Mew since page 2, what makes you think you-town would abandon my read of him?

Maybe you wouldn't. Maybe you'd keep up your charades all while knowing that people might take your claim less seriously.

That doesn’t even remotely answer my question. I want you to quote specific posts that indicate I have set up you two being scum together, and where I say that you bring town would clear Mew.

There’s definitely posts in my ISO about you two being scum together but I can’t find a one that clears Mew in the event you flip town.

You’re pulling shit out your ass.

In post 454, LolWagons wrote:Do you want to address any of my points or just throw vague shade at me?

What about my above response isn’t good? What point of yours did I not address?

I have no idea how I'm supposed to adequately respond to posts like 441, 443 or 449.

To respond to things that I can address in some way:

I asked you what you thought the future of the game was to get you to set your read, and you decided to write it in stone with a prediction that I would flip scum and you would get NKed. That's bold, and not a misrep. That just screams of a relentless tunnel and I haven't gotten it from you which is why I thought it was uncharacteristic because your tone towards me over the past through days has maintained its sense of aggressiveness. So it makes no real sense when you say that you don't want to insulate yourself into the idea of me being scum but do so anyway. You said that things can change... but 432 and 433 indicate that you haven't progressed beyond me in reality.

So my question is, why did you feel the need to post

In post 427, LolWagons wrote:My thought is that if Trekkie is scum, then he went after me because I was on to someone. Obviously the most likely candidate would be Mew, but I don’t want to frame my whole reference around Mew-scum. I just don’t see scum-Trekkie taking on the task of pushing my slot unless there was something fairly large to be gained from it.

If you're riding out pre-flip associations (which is a deadly trap, ftr), then it makes not-much-sense to point out a pre-flip association and then say you "don't want to frame your whole reference around X", of which that X is integral to pointing out the pre-flip association.

I never said you set us two up. I said you improvised when the opportunity arose.

I also never said you said mew would be cleared if I flip town. I said you say mew is cleared after I flip town.

In post 461, Trekkie99 wrote:I never said you set us two up. I said you improvised when the opportunity arose.

I also never said you said mew would be cleared if I flip town. I said you

would

say mew is cleared after I flip town.

So there’s almost 500 pages worth of content and your case for both scum is baseless speculation?

500 posts*

In post 439, Trekkie99 wrote:LolWagons has stated he thinks that if I flip scum then Mew must be scum as well. If lolwagons is scum, he knows I'll flip town thereby making his claim that Mew must be scum as well seem less likely.

If lolwagons is scum, then my next thought is that mew could be his scum mate, and lolwagons has been going after mew this whole game using weak suspicions to distance himself from his teammate without risking accidentally getting his scum mate lynched.

Along comes me saying mew is town and lolwagons is scum. Seeing later on there's a chance I could be lynched, lolwagons says this.

My thought is that if Trekkie is scum, then he went after me because I was on to someone. Obviously the most likely candidate would be Mew, but I don’t want to frame my whole reference around Mew-scum. I just don’t see scum-Trekkie taking on the task of pushing my slot unless there was something fairly large to be gained from it.

In lolwagons ideal situation, I get lynched, and then the next day lolwagons says something in the vain of

"whoops! guess mew must be town as well"

and gets away with it.

Hmmmmm...

That's a leap.

Why should I not hammer you?

In post 464, mbaki wrote:Why should I not hammer you?

That's not a question that's a threat.

In post 460, Mewtaph wrote:

In post 454, LolWagons wrote:Do you want to address any of my points or just throw vague shade at me?

What about my above response isn’t good? What point of yours did I not address?

I have no idea how I'm supposed to adequately respond to posts like 441, 443 or 449.

To respond to things that I can address in some way:

I asked you what you thought the future of the game was to get you to set your read, and you decided to write it in stone with a prediction that I would flip scum and you would get NKed. That's bold, and not a misrep. That just screams of a relentless tunnel and I haven't gotten it from you which is why I thought it was uncharacteristic because your tone towards me over the past through days has maintained its sense of aggressiveness. So it makes no real sense when you say that you don't want to insulate yourself into the idea of me being scum but do so anyway. You said that things can change... but 432 and 433 indicate that you haven't progressed beyond me in reality.

So my question is, why did you feel the need to post

In post 427, LolWagons wrote:My thought is that if Trekkie is scum, then he went after me because I was on to someone. Obviously the most likely candidate would be Mew, but I don’t want to frame my whole reference around Mew-scum. I just don’t see scum-Trekkie taking on the task of pushing my slot unless there was something fairly large to be gained from it.

If you're riding out pre-flip associations (which is a deadly trap, ftr), then it makes not-much-sense to point out a pre-flip association and then say you "don't want to frame your whole reference around X", of which that X is integral to pointing out the pre-flip association.

So... you ask me about the future of the game and I’m supposed to assume you mean within the current day?
When someone asks me about what the future holds I typically go beyond the day. I think it was completely fair to interpret your question the way I did. And just because I said things can change doesn’t equate to me saying they would.

First of all, don’t lecture me on how to play the game, I’ve been playing off and on since 2010. I know what I’m doing. Secondly, I pretty clearly state that it is most likely you, but not definitely you. Meaning I’m keeping my mind open and trying not to fall into the very trap your accusing me of falling in to.

In post 466, LolWagons wrote:

In post 460, Mewtaph wrote:

In post 454, LolWagons wrote:Do you want to address any of my points or just throw vague shade at me?

What about my above response isn’t good? What point of yours did I not address?

I have no idea how I'm supposed to adequately respond to posts like 441, 443 or 449.

To respond to things that I can address in some way:

I asked you what you thought the future of the game was to get you to set your read, and you decided to write it in stone with a prediction that I would flip scum and you would get NKed. That's bold, and not a misrep. That just screams of a relentless tunnel and I haven't gotten it from you which is why I thought it was uncharacteristic because your tone towards me over the past through days has maintained its sense of aggressiveness. So it makes no real sense when you say that you don't want to insulate yourself into the idea of me being scum but do so anyway. You said that things can change... but 432 and 433 indicate that you haven't progressed beyond me in reality.

So my question is, why did you feel the need to post

In post 427, LolWagons wrote:My thought is that if Trekkie is scum, then he went after me because I was on to someone. Obviously the most likely candidate would be Mew, but I don’t want to frame my whole reference around Mew-scum. I just don’t see scum-Trekkie taking on the task of pushing my slot unless there was something fairly large to be gained from it.

If you're riding out pre-flip associations (which is a deadly trap, ftr), then it makes not-much-sense to point out a pre-flip association and then say you "don't want to frame your whole reference around X", of which that X is integral to pointing out the pre-flip association.

So... you ask me about the future of the game and I’m supposed to assume you mean within the current day?
When someone asks me about what the future holds I typically go beyond the day. I think it was completely fair to interpret your question the way I did. And just because I said things can change doesn’t equate to me saying they would.

First of all, don’t lecture me on how to play the game, I’ve been playing off and on since 2010. I know what I’m doing. Secondly, I pretty clearly state that it is most likely you, but not definitely you. Meaning I’m keeping my mind open and trying not to fall into the very trap your accusing me of falling in to.

Heard.

In post 462, LolWagons wrote:So there’s almost 500

posts

worth of content and your case for both scum is baseless speculation?

Depends on your definition of baseless.

In post 468, Trekkie99 wrote:

In post 462, LolWagons wrote:So there’s almost 500

posts

worth of content and your case for both scum is baseless speculation?

Depends on your definition of baseless.

You haven’t provided a basis for your claims.

Soooooo

?

honestly i want to say from the last page that trekkie is newtown lynchbait

with the emergence of a wagon on him he doesnt really seem to care how he's being read despite this or threatened at all by the pressure


like at all

In post 465, Trekkie99 wrote:

In post 464, mbaki wrote:Why should I not hammer you?

That's not a question that's a threat.

this is not how i expect a newer wolf to respond to the threat of being d1 lynch at all

In post 465, Trekkie99 wrote:

In post 464, mbaki wrote:Why should I not hammer you?

That's not a question that's a threat.

Not really. You're a scum read and pushing a town read, and at l-1 near deadline.

i also think he does believe in what he's pushing even if it's kinda hard to see where it's coming from

In post 473, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i also think he does believe in what he's pushing even if it's kinda hard to see where it's coming from

I do not buy that at all.