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[skitter30]

Ok, why dont you?

:thorface:

I have no idea how to interpret that

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73690

Or, to rephrase: i dont know what you're trying to say by posting that in response to my post

[Nibbui]

being remotely/vaguely useful allows you to keep posting without wagons piling on you, while also being very hard to get a look through your head or point out mistakes

Sure, but I don't think I'm trying to look vaguely useful either. I think I'm trying to look obtuse as fuck. And succeeding.

here:

Jingle's posting feels agenda-y
I'm not sure it's a scum agenda, inherently, but i think he's trying to accomplish ~something~
Idk what the ~something~ is tho

she thinks you're trying to accomplish something

almost everyone seems to get the same feeling

if you're trying to accomplish something you're not being really useless and it's not a reason to go after you

i don't think it's hard to understand

[Bingle]

I think faking logical reads is super easy compared to engaging someone in a convo

What would you call this?

I'm more than happy to engage in conversation. I'm not going to share my thoughts because I don't want to.

[Nibbui]

I think faking logical reads is super easy compared to engaging someone in a convo

What would you call this?

I'm more than happy to engage in conversation. I'm not going to share my thoughts because I don't want to.

I meant engaging someone as in trading thoughts on the game and not being socially friendly or talking about things in a theoretical level like we're doing...

[Bingle]

Or, to rephrase: i dont know what you're trying to say by posting that in response to my post

Basically? It means you expecting an answer to that question is in itself questionable.

In context, why do you think I would explain why I think your strong townread on Nibbui is interesting when you yourself haven't explained why you have a strong townread on Nibbui?

[Bingle]

I meant engaging someone as in trading thoughts on the game and not being socially friendly or talking about things in a theoretical level like we're doing...

I'm not avoiding sharing thoughts on the game though. I'm avoiding sharing reads.

[Nibbui]

I think it's obv enough why she town read me and it seems she isn't alone in that regard

it's more of a oddball for you to scum read me here i think

i don't mind but you've gotta to spill reasons

actually i wouldn't even mind letting it slide as long as you start talking about your read on someone active enough to be relevant + with enough meat on it for us to chew

i don't need you to open your game completely, i need at least enough to read you as more than a treestump casually hanging around here

[Bingle]

if you're trying to accomplish something you're not being really useless and it's not a reason to go after you

trying to accomplish something =/= being useful to town.

I mean, there is very blatantly something I want to accomplish, given that I'm in a game of mafia and I'm not the kind of player to just do nothing. The point of the game is for other people to decide what I want to accomplish and for me to decide what other people are trying to accomplish, regardless of alignments.

At the moment, I care more about part B than part A.

[Nibbui]

I meant engaging someone as in trading thoughts on the game and not being socially friendly or talking about things in a theoretical level like we're doing...

I'm not avoiding sharing thoughts on the game though. I'm avoiding sharing reads.

we're discussing semantics already then

what else you can think about a mafia game other than reads on the players?

really...?

[Bingle]

I think it's obv enough why she town read me and it seems she isn't alone in that regard

it's more of a oddball for you to scum read me here i think

i don't mind but you've gotta to spill reasons

actually i wouldn't even mind letting it slide as long as you start talking about your read on someone active enough to be relevant + with enough meat on it for us to chew

i don't need you to open your game completely, i need at least enough to read you as more than a treestump casually hanging around here

I get that this is a thing you want, but why do I care that this is a thing you want.

I voted ducky because I wanted ducky to be active and solvey. Ducky started being active and solvey, so I stopped voting him.

[Nibbui]

i don't think this old idea of "you need only to scumhunt by yourself" is any good.

if you're town and play in good faith i think it's just easier to show your town thought process and PoE the game than be cryptic, get scum read, wagoned and maybe mislynched only to try to come with super smart reads that no one will listen afterwards bc they can't trust you in an alignment level.

[Bingle]

I meant engaging someone as in trading thoughts on the game and not being socially friendly or talking about things in a theoretical level like we're doing...

I'm not avoiding sharing thoughts on the game though. I'm avoiding sharing reads.

we're discussing semantics already then

what else you can think about a mafia game other than reads on the players?

really...?

Game state, whether someone should have the read they have, paranoia, lack of paranoia, PR tells, etc. etc.

For example, I think just about everything NorwegianBoy said in his readslist is either outright wrong or at least bad logic. Do you agree? Disagree? Is there a particular thing you'd like me to expand upon?

[Bingle]

i don't think this old idea of "you need only to scumhunt by yourself" is any good.

I'm NOT scumhunting. I'm manipulating the gamestate. There is a difference.

[skitter30]

Or, to rephrase: i dont know what you're trying to say by posting that in response to my post

Basically? It means you expecting an answer to that question is in itself questionable.

In context, why do you think I would explain why I think your strong townread on Nibbui is interesting when you yourself haven't explained why you have a strong townread on Nibbui?

I want to know what you think he's done that's voteworthy
And you can just ask if you want more of an explanation, like this would have been more helpful inwtead of just posting thorface

- scum!him, as far as i'm aware, isn't as capable of sustained nuanced thought as town!him, he's made several posts that hit that threshold of nuance
- he's saying a lot of the thinga that i'm thinking, which is reassuring - it makes me feel like he's approaching the game from the same pov that i am (and i know my pov is town)
- he felt kinda self-righteous in his thing with menalque

The one thing i'm slightly wary of is i think scum!him tries to, and can, pocket me, so i'm watching out for that

Besides for that i think he's townie

[Nibbui]

I think I usually can't connect too much to most people reads therefore i don't classify they as bad logic or anything

if you remember panic room you know that i have the tendency to look for more unusual reads

but anyway, i don't have too much of a issue with the order that people are in his list rn, the arguments i might not agree but it's not that bad of a list

i can not remember someone in a very wrong tier though

[skitter30]

i don't think this old idea of "you need only to scumhunt by yourself" is any good.

I'm NOT scumhunting. I'm manipulating the gamestate. There is a difference.

Yes and this is making me feel wary of you rn

[Bingle]

And you can just ask if you want more of an explanation, like this would have been more helpful inwtead of just posting thorface

No it wouldn't have.

[Nibbui]

actually i classify they as bad logic but i just tell myself "meh sometimes they are right"

i really don't like to be self-righteous and go around saying "hi your reads are bad". I don't think mine are that good anyway.

i'm happy being average

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright bingle. I'm just going to keep up my pretence of nodding in approval to what you say. While walking away slowly but surely without breaking eye contact for even a second.

[skitter30]

Meh
Maybe jingle is town
I am not confident in this and i disagree with how ur approaching the game tho

[Nibbui]

I think it's not about him being town or not only

he is just a very good vote rn

[Bingle]

I think it's not about him being town or not only

he is just a very good vote rn

I agree.

[Bingle]

i really don't like to be self-righteous and go around saying "hi your reads are bad". I don't think mine are that good anyway.

How do you engage about why you disagree then?

[Nibbui]

i feel like your avi is challenging me with a "if you can't get my wagon rolling to L-1 or L-2 i'm gonna keep ignoring you"

very very fuzzy

[nomnomnom]

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