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[alimdia]

Assuming SR = scum read, what I meant is that you follow faust around on wagons makes you guys look like a team.

At this point though, I only see individually scummy people, but not who the partners could be.

[alimdia]

VOTE: Yodavader

Nows the time to start a BW on someone.

Choo choo mofos

VOTE: Yoda

Scum for sure is this guy, hmmm.

I can't tell if fish is trying to make faust look scummy or the other way around with this interaction lol.

So @Faust, you aren't looking at Fish at all?

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I'm looking at him, sure, just as I am with everyone else. But realistically, the three lynch options today seem to be either Farren, Yoda and FF and Yoda is the one I TR the least out of the three.

I'm not confident he flips scum but the player I want to lynch today is unattainable with so little time left in the day.

Faust you last said that you thought GildedSun+me = a scumteam. What do you think now?

[alimdia]

Reply got submitted early.

I assume you meant the player you want to lynch today is GildedSun, but you also lumped me and Gilded together, and now you don't think I'm scum, what does this mean for your read on Gilded?

[faüstiv]

I accept you are entitled to your reads. You are free to continue scumreading them but do me a favor, a little experiment. Assume for a moment both are confirmed town. How do your reads change?

If they were locktown obviously I’d re-evaluate my reads.

I don’t think Farren ever flips scum though.

Ok great, but how do your reads change?

Faust I’m still waiting for you to answer this.[/quote]
I can probably answer this better now, since I'm fairly confident Gilded/alim are town now.

My reads don't change that much. I still don't think both scum are in FF/Farren/Yoda. I still lean town on them more than I do scum, though I'm going wrong somewhere.

A flip will help.

[faüstiv]

VOTE: Yodavader

Nows the time to start a BW on someone.

Choo choo mofos

VOTE: Yoda

Scum for sure is this guy, hmmm.

I can't tell if fish is trying to make faust look scummy or the other way around with this interaction lol.

So @Faust, you aren't looking at Fish at all?

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I'm looking at him, sure, just as I am with everyone else. But realistically, the three lynch options today seem to be either Farren, Yoda and FF and Yoda is the one I TR the least out of the three.

I'm not confident he flips scum but the player I want to lynch today is unattainable with so little time left in the day.

Faust you last said that you thought GildedSun+me = a scumteam. What do you think now?

I've no idea tbh. I think I know one scum but that lynch is unattainable today. I will have to RR him and see what I think.

[faüstiv]

My read on Gilded is that he's town

[alimdia]

Who is the 'one scum' that you think you know?

[Formerfish]

Assuming SR = scum read, what I meant is that you follow faust around on wagons makes you guys look like a team.

At this point though, I only see individually scummy people, but not who the partners could be.

Where, other than the Yoda vote, have I followed Faust on a wagon?

[faüstiv]

@Farren, who would you willing to lynch out of {Yoda, Fish, Geyde} if your Radja wagon isn't happening?

@Farren, in addition to #392, I'll like to add that in #245, Chibiie townleans Radja. I'm not too keen on that just because Radja posted a wall that aligns with what Chibiie said.
My playstyle is that I rarely have more than 1-2 solid town reads at a time.

Not willing to lynch Geyde. His progression looks realistic. He's questioning the basic assumptions.

I'd put both Fish and Yoda into the "willing to lynch" category right now.

I should put both of them on the meta research list.

Thank you for addressing my question. I get worried when I see a replacement march too much in lockstep with their predecessor; that usually means agenda / scum.

you're still voting Radja

[faüstiv]

I think Farren's play here is similar to this game where he was town:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=850

What do you think?

[faüstiv]

Who is the 'one scum' that you think you know?

I think Radja is 100% scum based on PoE, but as I say, his lynch is unattainable today.

[faüstiv]

for convenience:

Likely town: ETL, Farren, alimdia, Gilded, Geyde

Townleans: FormerFish, Yodavader

Which leaves Radja.

obviously at least one townread is wrong but a flip will help with my reads.

[faüstiv]

actually I'd say Yoda is more null, but there's one or two things that seem like they could come from town

[alimdia]

I've got some Halloween stuff going on today so I won't be around much. Just wanted to point out I'm happy with alimdia's content so far.

I have only skimmed Farren's last few posts but I'm likely voting there once I can find some time to properly read them through.

What part specifically about my content are you happy about?

@Radja, Still waiting on a reply on this

[Formerfish]

Assuming SR = scum read, what I meant is that you follow faust around on wagons makes you guys look like a team.

At this point though, I only see individually scummy people, but not who the partners could be.

Where, other than the Yoda vote, have I followed Faust on a wagon?

While you wait for Radja you could answer this.

[alimdia]

Assuming SR = scum read, what I meant is that you follow faust around on wagons makes you guys look like a team.

At this point though, I only see individually scummy people, but not who the partners could be.

Where, other than the Yoda vote, have I followed Faust on a wagon?

While you wait for Radja you could answer this.

Sorry, What I meant to say is that you follow faust around on 'a wagon'. When I said wagons, I thought of you guys getting off my wagon and hopping on Yoda, but I now realise that's still only one wagon.

[alimdia]

I think Farren's play here is similar to this game where he was town:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=850

What do you think?

I was actually looking at that, and I agree that the style of play is similar. But I also note that Farren hasn't had a completed scum game, so while it seems like a point in his favor, its not huge. (He could be playing like that for both styles).

[Radja]

Farren's assessment of faustiv: I guess it'll have to do? Seems kinda rushed.
Farren's answer why he's not looking into me looks sketchy. Especially due to the fact that he will vote me without any other content later on.
Farren's explanation about Spartan seems pretty easy now that there's nobody left to respond to. Seems a bit late to get into that again.
What I think about Yodavader: he had a good entrance but has since slipped off the radar for me. I'm null on him and wouldn't oppose a lynch on him, as I've said during my initial catch-up.
Farren's vote is still ridiculous to me. Holy shit.
faustiv opposes Farren wagon and thinks amidia/Gildedsun is the possible scumteam
faustiv's paranoia points to him being town. Sadly he's on the wrong track.
alimdia: I liked that your entrance matched up with Chibiie's reads, which also match up to my reads. Additionally, you commented on some of the same things that I picked up when I was catching up, which makes me believe you're actually trying to solve the game.
Disagree with faustiv that Chibiie's agressive style isn't town-motivated. He was the driving force in the game and gave us all a lot to talk about.
I agree with Yoda that Fish isn't looking very good here. Totally disagree on GildedSun scumread.
faustiv calls out Fish on not providing any content. Like it.
Farren's content gets better. Then he mentions he scumread me at the time Chibiie got replaced, but that's the first time he mentioned that. Weird.
Fish tries to pocket ETL and get them to vote alimdia
Fish abandons the alimdia wagon and joins the Yoda wagon as soon as he gets an opportunity because "scum for sure".
Fish claims he doesn't like the alimdia wagon anymore after just recently attempting to get ETL to join it.
faust gets his head together and realizes GildedSun and alimdia are town. Nice, we're getting somewhere here.
faustiv now says I'm 100% scum. What.

[Radja]

Reads haven't changed much, except for ETL who is now solid town instead of leaning town.

I'm less sure about Farren and Fish's last actions, as described above, don't look good.

VOTE: FormerFish

[Farren]

So ETL does something questionable - hypes up a PoE read and tries to make it more meaningful than it is - and Radja's response is to increase his townread on her. Again, shock.

Still using denigration as a tool. "still ridiculous." "gets his head together" (implying faustiv was foolish to dare to look at things from a different perspective, with subtle discouragement against doing it again).

"looks sketchy" re: my reasoning for pulling back - seriously, has he never gotten angry at a Mafia game? Never snapped at anyone when pissed off about something unrelated? Don't buy this at all.

"Fish tries to pocket ETL" - I think this is projection, given Radja's increased townread on ETL.

I agree that Radja is not likely to be lynched here. I absolutely encourage lynching him today and I will happily rejoin there if it starts looking plausible. Given the unlikelihood of that, I need to switch.

VOTE: Yodavader

I don't think Radja pushes his partner here. Obviously not choosing myself. That leaves Yoda.

[Radja]

Farren opposing the Fish wagon. Loving it

[Geyde]

Like
Thread is stuck on Fish/Farren while Yoda's becoming a sleeper wagon
Why don't we just vote in there

[Geyde]

Because

If we look at threadstate we see two 'groups' battling it out:

Farren/Fish sphere
"We need to vote outside of those desperately" sphere

And then I just see Yoda on the side
It's the cop out wagon for today
They lack agenda in this situation because of sheer passivity
Yoda mild v

I'm of the opinion that scum are on both sides
SvS on a thread-size scale

Encountered it here
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... e-D6-Setup

And that's why voting in Fish/Farren is essential
Thread's being warped around Fish/Farren

And maybe I'm individually wrong on Farren because of that
They are the one in this situation supporting this along with Radja, as weird as that may be to swallow

[Geyde]

VOTE: Fish
My confirmation bias is desperate and a fish flip solves the game a lot harder than a Farren flip

[Geyde]

Actually no
Fish lacks agenda here
Just read any of their last 10 posts

VOTE: Farren