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In post 414, Micc wrote:

In post 410, Karnage wrote:

In post 409, Micc wrote:what does scum molla have to gain by making naked votes at the start of the day or flipping his vote around?

so we should just accept him as town for "reasons"?

He’s given or at least implied reasons for the things he’s done. You can chose to believe them or not, but dismissing their existence isn’t helping here. I have a hard time believing youre arguing in good faith here when you choose not to explain what motivation scum molla has to make naked votes or flip his vote around, all while molla implies that as Town he has make naked votes to reaction test and that his vote is moving with his reads.

This logic here is making me feel better about BB. Like you said the votes are a little off, but I can't find a scum motivation for them. I do not think this should even be in the question for a wagon today.

In post 418, Karnage wrote:

In post 413, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Honestly, Karnage I'm feeling a little uneasy about you.

You seemed to position yourself weirdly wrt to Jones/Gilded yesterday. You were in a spot where he wasnt your preferred lynch (Bepwei was), but you made it clear that you thought the slot was scummy and ultimately hammered.

Now, in a game where people are getting scumread for pushing people that was maybe a risk, but maybe not. Although, I dont think you would have killed Arkias. I think that you probably would have killed Molla or one of the more active players. So your day play has me scumleaning you, but the nk makes me think it's not you.

And honestly, I'm lost in this game because I don't feel like we've got a good townblock.

Look if you think I'm town, come interact with me so we can get somewhere. If you think I'm scum interact with me and tell me why. Let me sort some people.

I have a scenario in my head where molla/micc are town and I feel like we will win easy but if I'm wrong I could be would be pushing mislynches and making it easy for them as a scum team. I flip flop in my head about whether I'm right because I see things from them that I think is scummy. As a result I think my play has been kind of erratic.

regarding jones/guilded, I was townreading the slot but when they unvoted/fos'd Micc I questioned my read. I didn't like anything from guildedsun once they replaced in so I felt good about lynching the slot. I was wrong.

my bepwie read is the inverse of molla/micc. If I accept molla/micc as town, bepwie is scum (with either anaconda or gyro)

So i'm finding myself in this quantum mechanical state of players existing as town/scum reads simultaneously

Could you elaborate on my read? There is no way with these reads that BB and Micc are town that i am as well? For me I am leaning more toward Billy and BB being the townies here. I find the 'desperation' for info today a a strictly town play. Im still making up my mind on Karnage.

In post 419, Karnage wrote:

In post 415, Micc wrote:

In post 411, Karnage wrote:@Micc, Who are your top scumreads atm?

I could make a case for anyone being scum right now. I think I’ve settled on billy, molla as Town and gyro as the best lynch for today but confidence levels are low.

is gyro the best lynch just to keep him out of lylo?

imo no. I honestly dont think its worth voting gyro just to keep him out of lylo. I not suggesting anyone wants this, but should we find some genuine scum, they should be voted before gyro.

In post 420, Micc wrote:

In post 417, Billy Pilgrim wrote:You have been trying to move the game forward and providing logical explanations for pushes. Yes, I'd be comfortable with you in the town block. I see that Gyro is your desire for a push, what do you think of Karnage at the moment?

My biggest problem with karnage is that I don't feel like hes done much for scumhunting and the pushes he has made have felt like they come in bad faith. it doesn't feel like he wants to have a conversation about his scum reads as shown by his unwillingness to further expand on molla scum, and to dismiss my follow up question in post 410. I think a townie who wants to lynch their scum read is a little more eager to entertain those who are willing to hear the case. Go back to day 1 and he spent a lot of time with his vote on bepwei without pushing that case either and eventually got over to Jones for the hammer. None of these pushes feel genuine to me.

The way Karnage played EoD D1 was definetly weird. I definetly think he treated my slot weird. He did not push me super hard, but also soft attacked the Jones/Guilded slot. I realy dont know how to feel about this. I was scum leaning him D1, but now I almost feel better about him. My thoughts are really jumbled rn. Another read through might help this.

In post 423, Billy Pilgrim wrote: Do you think scum!Karnage makes the Arkias kill?

Nope. I really dont see him making that kill. I see karnage going for someone active and not really on the radar of many people. I see karnage going for a Billy or a honestly BB for the soft. Again I expressed my confusion for the NK earlier and I still do not know what to make of it.

In post 424, BBmolla wrote:I feel pretty good with this lynch after this whole last page tbqh

I’m at at L-1 don’t any of you fuckers hammer without a claim

Ok so we are not lynching this today. I think we can agree on that.