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I like this tictac wagon. The inactivity is off-putting.
VOTE: tictac

My SR has somewhat lessened on Hectic; I feel I'm confusing playstyle for scumminess.

More than a few times I've seen a lurker/flake turn out to be Scum.

Could be intimidation or lack of interest or hopelessness. The last game I was Scum I clammed up because it felt hopeless. In my 37:1:6:6 game multiple Mafia weren't posting. I used to think Scum wouldn't shut down, but I know better now.

VOTE: tictac

I don't mind the tictac wagon. Hectic's nonsense filler questions, though, are just padding his ISO, polluting it. I don't see him accomplishing much. People say that's consistent with his meta. That's okay I guess, but it seems off.

VOTE: Hectic

In post 429, Hectic wrote:Bear with me, Aaron. Let's say you throw tictac and Bob off but they both land on a lifeboat. They're now bloodthirsty and looking for revenge. tictac's holding a harpoon, and Bob wields several walls which he could potential lay out to climb back up to the deck.

You look behind you to consult profii and HoldenGolden, but they've both fallen asleep with their respective dogs sitting comfortably on their chests. This is problematic.

Who do you phone for help in [Gamma Emerald, AaronFFrost, Aloratom]?

Uh I can phone myself? If so then yeah I choose to have me save myself.

In post 433, Hectic wrote:...

I don't expect to get anything AI from 404 and 429 if that wasn't clear. I'm just having fun.

You kind of implied earlier that it was serious and that the questions were helping you get reads on people. I need to know for sure if you're actually memeing though bc right now I can't tell (and yes this will help me read you ftr).

In post 441, Morning Tweet wrote:However, even then this is pretty much the kind of player I expected Hectic to be in regular games. im not convinced that meming around is a scumtell for Hectic. Unless I'm misinterpreting the case

Hectic's memeing isn't AI, that's just the Hectic I know and love (<3). Having played with him enough seeing both his town and scum games I think I have a decent tell on him that's related to his gimmicks which is why I need to know if his questions are serious.

In post 449, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I doubt voting Gamma while he's v/la will be very productive

I'm down to try this

VOTE: tictac

Would do Holden as well. He seemed to have dropped off the radar after a lot of early shitposting

I mean same logic can be applied to tictac when they've been inactive. I have my reasons for voting there, not sure I want to reveal them yet.

I agree with you on Holden though, I'd like to see more from him. I really hope that doesn't become a theme with this game.

In post 442, SirCakez wrote:profii what are you getting at there?

Probably best to let hectic respond seeing as the post was directed at him

V/LA until the 24th. I'll still be trying to read and contribute when I can.

profii, I went looking for them.
AaronFF, the questions weren't serious.

Aloratom's last post is scummy because he states a hypothesis, then acknowledges evidence which disproves his hypothesis, but then makes the false conclusion that he wants anyway.

In post 458, Hectic wrote:V/LA until the 24th.

Prod dodging. Be able to post in a couple hours after I wrap some stuff up

In post 456, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 449, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I doubt voting Gamma while he's v/la will be very productive

I'm down to try this

VOTE: tictac

Would do Holden as well. He seemed to have dropped off the radar after a lot of early shitposting

I mean same logic can be applied to tictac when they've been inactive. I have my reasons for voting there, not sure I want to reveal them yet.

I agree with you on Holden though, I'd like to see more from him. I really hope that doesn't become a theme with this game.

Gamma is busy irl though whereas tictac could be lurking scum

In post 458, Hectic wrote:Aloratom's last post is scummy because he states a hypothesis, then acknowledges evidence which disproves his hypothesis, but then makes the false conclusion that he wants anyway.

yeah I actually had the same thought

In post 371, SirCakez wrote:

In post 352, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 330, SirCakez wrote:Wake vs Alo may be TvS

Based on your questions back towards Wake you think wake is the scum in this exchange. I'm I correct in this? Or have you change from when you raised the counterpoint about playstyles and dodging questions?

I lean that way a little bit.

Wake's tons of questions without real content backing them up is kinda scummy.

But it could also just be his playstyle. Also I don't TR Alo especially strongly.

How was it scummy in your eyes given that fact his question was going unanswered?

I could understand it a bit more if you had said something citing Wake's declaration of a SR on alo due to it, but I'm not seeing how him following up on the intital question scummy itself?

Did you factor in the second hand accounts of his meta that were discussed earlier in the game into this interaction?

Tictac is all fine and dandy-- but what do you guys think about profii?

hia Holden

In post 433, Hectic wrote:...

I don't expect to get anything AI from 404 and 429 if that wasn't clear. I'm just having fun.

Weren't you having issues with how I was not engaging earlier with AI content when you probe me with the TOF read post?

Double standards man, not cool. I expect better from you than this duality of expectations.
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I honestly cannot remember hectics playstyle past RVS and even if I did it would be outdated. Sadness. I want to say though as town that he keeps the joking up throughout the day when most others get serious.

I'm having issues however where he is saying he is trying to emulate the success of his alt. If he is trying to play a stronger town game, then I dont understand posting the for fun stuff afterwards despite my Joy's of dicking around. It's making me doubt the motives behind his posts.

Does anyone have experience playing with the alt in question? I might have to grudgely break my anti meta stance and read those games.

In post 458, Hectic wrote:V/LA until the 24th. I'll still be trying to read and contribute when I can.

profii, I went looking for them.
AaronFF, the questions weren't serious.

Aloratom's last post is scummy because he states a hypothesis, then acknowledges evidence which disproves his hypothesis, but then makes the false conclusion that he wants anyway.

I'm not obliged to trust what others say about your meta.

In post 452, Aloratom wrote:I don't mind the tictac wagon. Hectic's nonsense filler questions, though, are just padding his ISO, polluting it. I don't see him accomplishing much. People say that's consistent with his meta. That's okay I guess, but it seems off.

VOTE: Hectic

I hate this post for several reasons.

1) It agrees with the tic tac lynch yet proposes a new lynch candidate.
2) it does not actively fight for the lynch being proposed nor does anything to change the meta town reads on hectic.
3) it is wishy washy. Alo says that it's okay if that hectics play is matching his town meta proposed by other people, yet still ends up voting him. I could understand the meta point if he didnt end up agreeing that it was a fair assumption for hectic. His scumread and reason to vote is directly the antithesis of the meta reads being thrown out. Alo should be disagreeing with those reads therefore.

Pedit: then why did you agree to what has been said in the quoted post above?

What is it with everyone pushing Hectic whilst admitting he isn't that scummy?

In post 468, Morning Tweet wrote:What is it with everyone pushing Hectic whilst admitting he isn't that scummy?

My issues are with the alt comment. The problem is I have little addtional context to go off it.

IE: the alt could be this ultimate try hard account where he plays his heart and soul out and rarely jokes. Or it can where he approaches day 1 still in a jokey manner and throws out stuff like read lists.

It does have a level of speculation in it too of how much of it Heteic is porting over into his play. But regardless, I cant think of many townie reasons to port over that aspect of your alts playstyle and then admit the questions you are asking afterwards are all for fun. I do however can see scum!heteic doing that to gain more town cred. That's why I think Aaron asking him how serious those questions were was a great question.

If it was anybody other than that funny ass bastard my vote would already be on him.

I will say I did like the fact me and him came to somewhat similar conclusions about alo. Although mine is more about the conflicting read and the fact he is pushing a wagon without trying to disprove anything about the town reads on heretic

In post 468, Morning Tweet wrote:What is it with everyone pushing Hectic whilst admitting he isn't that scummy?

Now then, do you think any of the soft pushes as you see them are scummy and if so why?

It's basically just putting out early readlists and being more transparent, Hodlne. The joking is definitely still there.

Since I'm probably never using this alt again: Paragon

Not really you Holden, more Alo and profii. I think I missed the alt comment

In post 401, Hectic wrote:The early readslists and questioning I've been doing on an alt of mine with decent results; trying it out here now! Sir Cakez, why is the progression not there for a readslist? Not all the reads are substanceful/have good reasoning behind them - some are just thoughts and feelings.

I guess you could say that. I've seen Hectic use readslists as part of the jokes before. He wasn't joking this time with this readlist though.

Sure it could be a towncred excuse, but did he really have to justify himself that heavily for something as little as an early readslist? I don't think scum!hectic would feel like he needs to give some kind of alibi for it, so overall kinda NAI

HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 468, Morning Tweet wrote:What is it with everyone pushing Hectic whilst admitting he isn't that scummy?

Now then, do you think any of the soft pushes as you see them are scummy and if so why?

Yes, see profii and I's progression on the previous page for more on that

In post 472, Hectic wrote:It's basically just putting out early readlists and being more transparent, Hodlne. The joking is definitely still there.

Since I'm probably never using this alt again: Paragon

OHMYGOD!!!!!

in hindsight, I probably should've realized that when you brought up the.... thingies