Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Robert M Hunter]

VOTE: Andante

[PawnsGambit]

You know there is likely 3 scum and not 5 right?

[InsidiousLemons]

You know there is likely 3 scum and not 5 right?

what makes you say that

[PawnsGambit]

Look at the number of scum in the last 10 mini normal 13 player games.

[Asteria]

Need to get more into this game so making a readlist. Ask me anything.

Town:
InsidiousLemons - Still have a townread here for the same reasons. Although if you're scum I think we play scum kind of similarly
osuka - Gut townread based on how he's interacting with everyone. That's very general and I can go through his iso and find some examples if someone wants but it's 110 posts

Townlean:
Haschel Cedricson - Questioning of Andres and follow up were fine. Seems to be sorting based on the small amount of posts.
Salsabil Faria - I found 67 to be quite safe but then the reaction felt genuine and more likely of town (although I don't have meta).
Save The Dragons - We have quite similar reads which makes me think he's town. Seems to be trying to hunt.
Robert M Hunter - 449 readslist feels ok. Also I'm apparently pointed and fearless so consider me pocketed.
Anya - I liked her take in 121. She seems pretty relaxed and natural. 387 wasn't good though and looks like pure OMGUS.

Null:
Green Crayons - Maybe a very slight townread which is pretty much just gut
PawnsGambit - Didn't really feel strongly either way after going through their iso. I do get where the scumreads are coming from but I don't see it as scum refusing to give info and moreso as town not feeling like it
VFP - I might go back over their iso later and see if I can come up with anything better

Scumlean:
Andante - The reaction to Robert was scummy. It was taken way too seriously which came off as trying to force a scumread. That said, I don't think scum purposefully makes themselves stand out like this. We do have the same insidious read which is a +1. Also hope the job interview went well.

Scum:
Andresvmb - Still a scumread for 40 and I've been trying to progress that conversation but I've been ignored. I agree with Haschel about 180. I didn't find anything particularly townie in the rest of their iso.

[InsidiousLemons]

Serious question though, why is Osuka trying to control the game?

When I read this, my mind immediately jumped to the possibility of

Andante

-scum being salty about osuka controlling the game. My scum read on this player slot remains unchanged.

I am so entertained by

osuka

's posts that I would resist voting him even if he confessed.

your scumread of andante hinges on osuka being town, but for the second time you fail to provide any backup for why you actually believe the latter to be true. "being funny, generally" is NAI. admitting (jokingly or otherwise) to getting ATE'd and not doing any actual player analysis outside of that is questionable.

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

this strikes me as rather flimsy reasoning. he doubles down, sure, but refuses to engage with questions directed at him or back up his reasoning with anything concrete. it reads to me like scum wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit.

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

struggling to decipher this

My town read of

VFB

is unchanged.

interesting, considering you never so much as mentioned his name in either post outside of the "kittens" list itself. the initial townread stems from 2 posts of VFP's: a random vote for osuka (one of the first posts in the thread) and a post asking if they were conftown yet. what evidence do you have which suggests to you that VFP is town?

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Look at the number of scum in the last 10 mini normal 13 player games.

touché. looks like most are 3-scum, a couple had 2 or 4 and none had 5. i still don't see readlist distribution not matching likely actual distribution as much of a problem this early though

[Robert M Hunter]

You know there is likely 3 scum and not 5 right?

Number of scum reads > Actual number of scum

MIND BLOWN

[InsidiousLemons]

apologies, i misread the post number on your initial reads list. your TR on VFP came after 15 VFP posts, a much more reasonable number. still, i'm interested to hear your reasons

[InsidiousLemons]

^@Robert re: 455

[Robert M Hunter]

Dear Lemons,

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

You could be right about Pawn, and I could be wrong. You may have a point with the part about "wanting to look confident but scared to overcommit."

I actually forget why I read VFB as town, but I iso'd everyone in alphabetical order so I read all his posts and made that conclusion. I am bit sleepy right now but I'll be glad to check again tomorrow.

[PawnsGambit]

Why would I want to commit to something I'm not sure of?

[osuka]

I'm going to focus here tomorrow with some read updates.

PawnsGambit deserves some pressure here.
Out right refusing to discuss reads and now just ignoring posts to them.
Adding nothing and apparently getting away with doing so?

VOTE: PawnsGambit

New player trying to stay close and call their scum buddy Osuka town the whole time, following in the footsteps, or just trying to buddy to a town Osuka thinking this will protect them?
Regardless attention should be here.

okay let's assume for a second pawns and i are scum buddies

would i not coach him so he doesn't do the stupid shit youre saying hes doing? furthermore, if hes doing stupid shit why would i protect him? do you seriously think im that stupid?

[osuka]

I'm going to focus here tomorrow with some read updates.

PawnsGambit deserves some pressure here.
Out right refusing to discuss reads and now just ignoring posts to them.
Adding nothing and apparently getting away with doing so?

VOTE: PawnsGambit

New player trying to stay close and call their scum buddy Osuka town the whole time, following in the footsteps, or just trying to buddy to a town Osuka thinking this will protect them?
Regardless attention should be here.

Do you know that osuka is town, by any chance? If so, please let us all know, this would be very useful information.

how would he? only thing i can think of is if he's scum

[osuka]

I can tell Osuka is trying to sort people by conversing with a wide variety of players. This to me is genuine scum hunting.

call me pocketed but isn't this a perfectly appropriate response for 413?

[Andresvmb]

I think it’s possible that the Scum are actually trying to get away with my murder here. Fascinating.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll catch up let me read. I do have some work to take care of so I’ll be back when I’m done with that.

[Andresvmb]

you also seems suspicious about what the cat said of you. it's that same "why are you targeting me" nervous energy.

No such energy since I’m Town but you don’t know that. I’m skeptical of being pushed when I’ve gathered some stubborn votes because there’s probably Scum there. That’s more where it’s coming from.

[Andresvmb]

My thoughts on this game right now... are complicated. I have a job interview in a bit and after that I'm gonna sit down and organize thoughts on everyone, I didn't realize how fast this would get this chaotic lol

This really should happen.

[Andresvmb]

@Andres, please tell me why you took that post so seriously:

Why are you stuck on an early post that doesn’t really mean much? So I mistakenly assumed a vote was more serious than it was, realized the error of my ways and moved on. What’s the big deal?

[PawnsGambit]

It's not so much that Robert's reads were serious, it's how unconcerned he is with making friends.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: VFP

[Andresvmb]

I didn't find anything particularly townie in the rest of their iso.

Please elaborate. I’m dying to see what kind of nonsense you come up with.

[osuka]

not asking you to have hard reads, asking you to back up the claims you've already made.

if you'd like to talk about robert as well, go ahead. i'm all ears

p-edit i am actually defending everyone im not voting. i think everyone is town except the person im currently voting, at all times

This is a pretty stupid approach to mafia.

I've already made my case on robert.

i must have completely missed it because all i see are one liner posts and you never actually elaborate on why you think robert is scum

please point me towards where you made your case on that slot

[osuka]

never mind im only now catching up and i just saw 438

[Andante]

whelp. interview went well!! its been a long day lmao had real life stuff to attend to, I'll try to get around to ISOs on all of yall tomorrow morning, there's like 3 more pages from when I was last here. rip