Newbie 2062: The Hubble Telescope - End!

[RationalMadman]

Do not CC just hammer, I will take the blame. I am certain of this.

[T3]

I will take the blame logic is bad but in newbie games usually town indicative.

[RationalMadman]

It's not logic, it's a fact to encourage others who are lacking in logic to sheep me without forcing PRs to out.

[Andante]

there's no logic in voting out the doc claim lmao

[fferyllt]

Clasko has requested replacement. Searching...

[Andante]

rip... I kinda like clasko... I hope we don't gain someone else who wants to tunnel the doc...

[T3]

I think I might want to rethink this. Rathe, are you ccing doc?

[T3]

I'm mainly voting this because I think Rathe basicaly softed doc eith the vote.

[Andante]

I'm mainly voting this because I think Rathe basicaly softed doc eith the vote.

You're choosing to play off softs you believe? so you lim me, I flip doc, then you go "Rathe was softing doc!!" which of course Rathe will deny...

[RationalMadman]

I think I might want to rethink this. Rathe, are you ccing doc?

Ask it once more and you are scum.

[RationalMadman]

Actually T3 and Andante having a bus relationship makes a lot of sense.

Andante has absolutely no intention of succeeding in voting T3 off, it's drama, Andante intends to lose. It's very possible Clasko replaced out due to that but if not, I am actually open to the idea T3 and Andante developed a bus strategy early into the day that they played out and Andante concluded this was a great way to end it off.

[RationalMadman]

Andante doesn't necessarily intend to 'lose' but sure as hell is ready to be voted off in its entirety.

If this is 2 goons setup and there's a cop, doc won't be cc'd at all and we falsely townread Andante.

[RationalMadman]

Andante has done absolutley nothing towny, I have been reading her other games and this isn't even close to her depth and ability to analyse games as Town. She AtE's regardless of alignment but the depth of posts and way she dodges questions is a completely new thing this game vs before.

JacksonVirgo's meta-defence doesn't hold water.

[RationalMadman]

You're choosing to play off softs you believe? so you lim me, I flip doc, then you go "Rathe was softing doc!!" which of course Rathe will deny...

Too calm about it, zero hostility, you scumread T3 (you say) and are leading an elimination of him yet you talk to him as if he's town you want to gently convince is misreading a situation.

[RationalMadman]

Rathe and Orctin are my new hardest townreads.

I have thought a lot about why Andante and Orctin interacted how they did, where they both barely go at the other despite being active but here is what I notice:

Orctin basically solely interact with me and based his reads heavily around me vs Andante. It is possible he just did something similar to tunneling but where he saw the game in a blinkered manner as he had a gut read I was scum overplaying my role and didn't really read the others much or feel the need to reply much to people other than me because I directly questioned things and attacked his reasoning.

In contrast, while Orctin didn't interact much outside of me at all, Andante did. Andante interacts by one-way communication to her scumreads. The only thing she did to Orctin was ask him one question and then lay off, which sure she could do to a partner but Orctin released pressure on me exactly when Andante would most require him not to.

So, by contextual reading, I am sure Rathe and Orctin are 100% Town if Andante is scum (which I am VERY sure of).

Ivyeo and T3 are viable partners as is Clasko.

Demainer and JacksonVirgo are both Townread by me for similar reasons. Both have interacted in ways that I don't ever believe the partner of Andante would but on top of that both have given 'fair enough' reasoning behind their reads that show Town-think. JacksonVirgo panicking about potential Doc being eliminated went beyond what the partner would reveal if they panicked about their partner's gambit not paying off. JacksonVirgo genuinely was deeply worried and tried to really attack me. If JV was the partner of Andante, they'd have probably tried to appeal to everyone at once and not be so emotionally blatant about the panic.

[RationalMadman]

If Andante is simply just a very poorly playing Doc (which I am certain is not the case, she's Mafia not Doc), then hypothetically the townreads are the same except for JacksonVirgo.

JacksonVirgo as scum with Andante being real Doc could have pulled off a fantastic act throughout the day but especially post-outing where the intention is to towntell to hell and back no matter what outcome occurs.

[RationalMadman]

T3 could be any alignment, he has Town depth of reads but very odd moments throughout like how he copied most of my reads, buddied me from the get-go and right now is trying to ruin the entire advantage of voting Andante off without forcing outs, despite being on the bandwagon.

[RationalMadman]

there's no logic in voting out the doc claim lmao

'lmao' is not what real doc would even think to type there.

[RationalMadman]

I insist on the elimination of Andante, I will take full blame.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I might want to rethink this. Rathe, are you ccing doc?

Ask it once more and you are scum.

You're a fucking idiot

[T3]

VOTE: RationalMadman
A death of a mafia and a pr isbetter than the death of an uncced possible pr. If there are any ccs then they should claim.

[RationalMadman]

Sure do what you want, if yoy want to lose the game that's fine. Better I am eliminated if you want to lose this bad

[RationalMadman]

@mod JacksonVirgo has been continually abusive to me and now called me a fucking idiot. I expect reprimanding.

[RationalMadman]

Actually, okay, since Town wants to play this way let's get a PR to CC. If no CC and jf Andante doesn't doe at night we eliminate her tomorrow. Oh no, that means kf she's left alive we assume she's Town anyway as it's WIFOM potentially. If there's no CC it xan be 2-goon setup

[RationalMadman]

But anyway sonce Town want to play this badly, let's ask for a CC. Can the role that conteadicts Doc at least one of you please out.