Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Prism]

(Everything before 441 from Lukewarm was rational)

[Infinity 324]

It is worth noting that I indirectly invited a revote in 385, but I did find the delay a bit ?_?

in my head it went

infinity unvote > prism makes boast basically saying "you can't own up to this" > infinity tries to placate > infinity revotes after a pause. why the pause? i don't know what she was reconsidering.

i feel like when your read is a gutread you just slap it back down instead of waiting, or at least make a comment about how you tried to better explain it but she didn't. just tried to keep the pressure going and hoping that it looked good enough.

I forgot to revote is what it was.

[Infinity 324]

She fully owned up to the vote, it was the "dialogue" composed of her saying absolutely nothing for me to work with or respond to that drove me up the wall.

I concur that her recognizing ways to work around or explore the gut read further and promptly not doing so, or weighing in on my reaction at all except to fail to placate me, was pretty bad.

There's a lot of internal processing that goes into my gut reads that I don't want or need to voice because I either can't or don't think it would be useful. I will admit though that part of it was my annoyance with you expecting something like that of me when I don't feel like I should need to justify every read of mine. One thing that I haven't talked about was how I felt that you absolutely needing to engage with me about my read was something you'd need to do as scum here, though I can understand a similar mindset as town.

[Infinity 324]

It's also, like, I'm not sure why you're not thinking about whether my read on you makes me scum until like a day later? Though that's a pretty small part of my read

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE:

Really don't want a hammer

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse, you seem to think I would make a good flip regardless given that I would be stumped rather than gone. I can't say I agree with the idea I will make a good stump, but I understand why.

From what I can tell, you are extremely confident in your ability to read Hectic, so my wanting his reaction is pretty irrelevant on that front.

Are you holding off just out of courtesy?

just because you’re a good flip in that i’ll be able to recalibrate and know to trust you doesn’t mean you’re a flip that i want. it’s the same way that i kind of wish i could be flipped so i could be conftown and have my weird vibes and feelings taken with more weight without having to do the work.

i’d rather flip scum if we can.

[Infinity 324]

Ydrasse what are your other weird vibes and feelings that don't involve me being scum

[Ydrasse]

prism town / fidget scum atm

makes me feel like a contrarian

[Infinity 324]

Why is fidget scum

[Ydrasse]

like i’ve explained felt opportunistic and unwilling to take a stance early

[Infinity 324]

Oh I missed it since you quoted a bunch of stuff to me

I said I was waiting for fidget to townpost but she hasn't yet :(

[Ydrasse]

fair

yeah i’m just waiting on some good takes

[Prism]

One thing that I haven't talked about was how I felt that you absolutely needing to engage with me about my read was something you'd need to do as scum here, though I can understand a similar mindset as town.

You were a townlean prior and not giving depth makes it virtually impossible to sort you unless I resort to policying.

It's also, like, I'm not sure why you're not thinking about whether my read on you makes me scum until like a day later? Though that's a pretty small part of my read

My thoughts on your vote were not new, but were prompted for posting by Ydrasse. While I am still posting more than I would like, I am not using the thread as my scratchpad, and I am quite happy with it.

[Prism]

I'm in a holding motion where I am still waiting on half the game.

[MURDERCAT]

Vote Count 1.8

[3] Prism: Hectic, Child of Fairies, Lukewarm
[1] JohnnyFarrar: T3
[1] Fidget: JohnnyFarrar
[1] Infinity 324: Ydrasse
[0] Hectic:
[0] Child of Fairies:
[0] T3:
[0] Ydrasse:
[0] Lukewarm:

Not voting: Prism, Fidget, Infinity 324

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-06-12 21:58:45).

Mod Notes:
- Hectic is V/LA until the 9th
- Ydrasse is V/LA until the 7th
- JohnnyFarrar is V/LA until the 10th
- Lukewarm is V/LA until the 8th

[Infinity 324]

You were a townlean prior and not giving depth makes it virtually impossible to sort you unless I resort to policying.

I don't think my read on you is going to be the best way for you to sort me then.

[Lukewarm]

Your vote absolutely matters, especially when you are actively encouraging hammers on me without letting me do the single thing I have wanted to do today. Ridiculous.

You misunderstood. I did not mean that my vote did not matter. I meant that whether or not I would have hammered there did not matter, because I could not hammer there. So I did not see the benefit of continuing to talk about why I would have, and only did so in the first place because Ydra called me out on it.

[Infinity 324]

Thinking about this more, this is way too easy, I don't think I want to elim prism today. Maybe johnny, idk. I wish there was someone else I explicitly not-townread. Idk. Anyone have...thoughts?

[T3]

half the game being vla....
UNVOTE: Johnny
I'm going to give this a reread.

[T3]

I don't totally get the case against Prism.

[Infinity 324]

"Scum!prism wouldn't get limmed d1" is a terrible reason to not want to lim prism, but that's...kinda where I'm at? At first there were a bunch of reasons why I felt that scum!prism would potentially have trouble in this game, and at first it at least seemed like she was trying to avoid getting limmed, but now less so. I sort of want to spend another day seeing how the game develops around her, and if that means scum!her will be able to manipulate everyone into escaping the lim or whatever, so be it.

[T3]

Johhny, Faries, and Prism are my top 3 scum after a reread.

[Prism]

As much as I wanted something more substantive from Infinity, I really do not like this casting.

I have some issues with acknowledging that reason as terrible and using it anyway, but it's unclear to me why Infinity holds

that strong

of a respect for my scumgame that being on the table means I am town. They do not seem to be incorporating that I am willow1, who was scum with her in Draft Mafia, so the only citation for this is Owner's Market. While that game was both a prototypical scumgame and one where I carried, it was not at all a difficult game and my level of play reflected this.

I am also troubled with the "This is too easy" line, given that two players voting me were AFK (ie. votes not bandwagoning/likely NAI), and later one of those swapped with someone very town. The pivot votes were Infinity and Child, and it's not like a scum partner on the sidelines can afford to hard defend me at E-1. Where was the resistance supposed to come from to save Prism-scum?

[Prism]

Johhny, Faries, and Prism are my top 3 scum after a reread.

This is my current top 2 though Hectic is an unknown.

I would slot Infinity as null. Just no idea what she is doing at all.

[Lukewarm]

I don't totally get the case against Prism.

Johhny, Faries, and Prism are my top 3 scum after a reread.

What changed in this 14 min game here?

Like what did you see in the reread that you missed the first time?