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UNVOTE: mastina

I was grumpy about the three mafia thing, but reading back with a fresh head, it comes across as a reasonable starting point. Without getting too far into the weeds, for day one scum hunting purposes this would be the right philosophy. Third parties irrelevant unless we get evidence of their existence, and based on morph mod meta, individually and together, it's unlikely a third party would be a priority threat to town. If it's multi-ball, the same idea of plenty of places to scum hunt while backburnering LLD applies. Knock that and the NAI-proxy-vote shit out of her ISO and I don't actually mind it too much. She has some takes that read as genuine and unconcerned with fitting in enough that they read with town motivation.

In post 294, That Idiot Ivan wrote:

In post 190, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm back after my flight, catching up. There is something I do have noted that is probably worth coming back to later.

Later yet? I'm curious.

StrangeMatter, is this still relevant?

In post 341, Dwlee99 wrote:Suripoko I actually forget but there was something

This massively pings. I realize they backtracked and claimed 'LOLblinded by images' but it's bullshit. Not hard to go back and look at the eight post pictures to determine if there was something if that list was intended as anything more than a throwaway 'look at me I'm working so hard' thing.

In post 382, Dwlee99 wrote:Cakez: reaction to me ~existing~ + the reaction to mastina

Strange: also reaction to my existence + I think I've been proven right by their continued play around my slot

In post 399, Dwlee99 wrote:Mastina should be obvious

Your reasons to townread the people as cited above are beyond opaque and look more like people you don't want to deal with trying to pretend to scumread. Nothing I feel anyone should feel compelled to counter with brilliant arguments.

Dude if I wanted to scumread cakez or strangematter that'd be easy as fuck

I'd probably not go for townreading easy to mislim slots if I was scum here

Let's look at who I'm townreading right now:

Mastina: she will make herself obvious at some point anyway so this one doesn't really matter

Strange: Last two games with her she was mislimmed day one and a mislim target that was only disrupted by replace outs

Cakez: cakez is not obvtown typically, I'd want him available as a Lim target

Jjh: Was no1 wagon besides me, no clue why I'd want to remove him as a lim option

Pooky: if I wanted to scumread Pooky here it'd be easy. Literally just go "lol good at scum"

Bombay: I think this is consensus town so I could make this read as scum

Replace hers with they for strange** sorry

Is it relevant is a no but it is something someone said that I believe would be good to look into later if a certain flip happens.

Referring to 450 at the top of the page.

In post 407, jjh927 wrote:Well, FYI, Mastina frequently memeclaims mason, particularly if she is in a neighbourhood that is not a masonry, although inevitably also in the event that she was an actual mason or similarly functioning role (however the likelihood of this scenario is statistically low)

It's more likely than you'd think, statistically speaking.

In post 366, Shiro wrote:Also books says Mastina is bad, trying to hide herself and all associates behind voting only with LLD.

I've plenty of associatives even while having my vote proxied to LLD. You can see them in my iso.

In post 359, The Bombay wrote:So Rouge made not one, not two, but three rickroll style posts 81, 95, 102, and I responded with joke anger at having been successfully rickrolled. Rogue is your towniest of town reads, but me joking back around with him is part of your evidence that I am the scummiest player in the game?

Yes--Rogue doing the joke was town indicative because the entire thing was natural and lighthearted and fit the perspective of a town player who was just vibing.

Your response to the joke was stilted, artificial, and forced. An attempt to match the vibe, rather than being a part of the vibe (Rogue).

In post 443, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 438, skitter30 wrote:Ok i guess a few thoughts on this:
- you're acting like you presently think you're wrong on me (i.e. you're acting like you're townreading me now)
- the second sentence is silly, of course at least half of any 6 names is gonna be town (assiming 3 scum etc), so of course you can still be right technically but that isnt like a massive accomplishment or anything ...
- is this still your poe presently? I saw u would take me out and add poodydra but anything else?

I'm saying you townreading half my poe doesn't actually mean it's wrong. Cause the other half can still be scum and I didn't wrongly clear anyone. I think right now I'd consider adding you to my list of exclusions but I'm not actually all the way there yet. Pooky hydra is hard to read if he won't actually post but I still actually feel slightly better there than with you.

- i was saying that i was townreading half of your poe to indicate that i thought it was a random hodgepodge of names (and thus not a 'real' poe / not a serious poe), not really to comment on the rightness or wrongness of it or your accuracy
- how are you getting anything ai out of pookydra?

I'm kinda scumreading mastina

Here's some more

Anyway, I feel it should be very easy to comment on my play and interactions through images now

do we need to win the game before there's a checkmate cause

that's not happening at this pace lmfao

I think at minimum we need to end day before the game ends.

Which is still a lot of time so, we good, but still

That move makes me think the game is not meant to go on til checkmate, as otherwise that'd be a very bad for move for white

Oh shit it's happening that's a fun move since black will no longer be able to castle and is kinda positionally fucked but white is trading a bishop for a pawn

All comes down to whether black knows how to defend against the attack that is to come

Can white capitalise on the positional advantage, or will black be able to weather the storm and reach a stable endgame a piece ahead?

Thing to remember here is that when black inevitably takes bishop with king, white's got check with ng5 loaded up and ready to go followed by a variety of scary options for moving the queen out. Black will need to successfully evacuate the king over towards the queenside

In post 462, morph the cat wrote:

White Move 5

this cleanly blunders a bishop.

In post 459, skitter30 wrote:

In post 443, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 438, skitter30 wrote:Ok i guess a few thoughts on this:
- you're acting like you presently think you're wrong on me (i.e. you're acting like you're townreading me now)
- the second sentence is silly, of course at least half of any 6 names is gonna be town (assiming 3 scum etc), so of course you can still be right technically but that isnt like a massive accomplishment or anything ...
- is this still your poe presently? I saw u would take me out and add poodydra but anything else?

I'm saying you townreading half my poe doesn't actually mean it's wrong. Cause the other half can still be scum and I didn't wrongly clear anyone. I think right now I'd consider adding you to my list of exclusions but I'm not actually all the way there yet. Pooky hydra is hard to read if he won't actually post but I still actually feel slightly better there than with you.

- i was saying that i was townreading half of your poe to indicate that i thought it was a random hodgepodge of names (and thus not a 'real' poe / not a serious poe), not really to comment on the rightness or wrongness of it or your accuracy
- how are you getting anything ai out of pookydra?

Your first bulletpoint makes me think you didn't think about why I'm townreading those slots yet. I've gone over each, but you didn't talk about those reasons or interact with those. Your second bulletpoint also makes me think this

In post 463, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:do we need to win the game before there's a checkmate cause

that's not happening at this pace lmfao

Oh I misread this

Thought it was does a checkmate need to happen before game ends or something like that

In post 466, jjh927 wrote:Oh shit it's happening that's a fun move since black will no longer be able to castle and is kinda positionally fucked but white is trading a bishop for a pawn

All comes down to whether black knows how to defend against the attack that is to come

Can white capitalise on the positional advantage, or will black be able to weather the storm and reach a stable endgame a piece ahead?

Thing to remember here is that when black inevitably takes bishop with king, white's got check with ng5 loaded up and ready to go followed by a variety of scary options for moving the queen out. Black will need to successfully evacuate the king over towards the queenside

there's really not much threat on the kingside. the bishop and knight will protect

Stil half dead, but just finished reading page 10.

I’m liking jjh’s comment re: discussion with Bombay.
Dwlee’s posts are irking me. I like LLD fire on dwlee tho

~M

Maybe I'm counting too hard on white actually having a gameplan here

People don't usually bishop sacrifice without thinking about it first though

In post 468, Dwlee99 wrote:Your first bulletpoint makes me think you didn't think about why I'm townreading those slots yet. I've gone over each, but you didn't talk about those reasons or interact with those. Your second bulletpoint also makes me think this

I did, and think your reasons are p flat and uninspiring, and dont really have anything to say on any of them. The only ones i kinda agreed with were bombay and jjh, the rest were p empty

The one i'm most interested in is pookydra, and want to know if there's anything more to this read than 'vague townping because of a hectic alt somewhere' and 'if the pr is real its probably town' (why?)
Are you getting anythibg ai out of what they're actually communicating?

In post 296, skitter30 wrote:mastina i gotta say i disagree with you on the bombay's reads looking forced, and i'm not really into this whole vote-proxy thing either

Tbh this must be something new Mastina Is doing cuz I haven’t seen it before.
Unless this is Mastina trying to pocket LLD

-M