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In post 4498, Ghostlin wrote:

*He's been underwhelming all game. By Day 4, I expect some kind of push. In Xenosaga he was all over the place. Here..he makes a few points here or there, but he's not steering, nor is he leading from anywhere. This isn't Nacho--at least not Town Nacho.

*There are some who have said 'give Nacho time and he'll pick up'. It's Day 4. If he's not producing now (and he's not) he's not gonna.

*This one's difficult to follow, but here goes:

Nacho, quite publicly, caught me as scum because I can't fake logical Town thought well

. He's hedged his bets (particularly with his interactions with Mastin, but even how he's treated people like me who he's said earlier he wanted to 'interact more with' and really hasn't) and he's produced low enough content to kinda squeak by.

*The AJ/BRO/Des case is an excellent example of all the above. Nacho can make a weak non-committal push without a case. As Town, even lazy Town, Nacho has no reason not to release the case. As scum, he has reason to hold off to see if his wagon will dissolve and we'll bite. I'm 90% sure he's bussing one buddy there for cred, and 75% sure sure he's bussing both for cred. In fact, if scum don't cross bus they'll die.

*Nacho has made the argument that he's done nothing that would indicate he was scum. The reverse is painfully also true. There's nothing to indicate that Nacho's town, either. It's a hollow and somewhat misleading argument by someone who I expected to be higher key and give a shit, and has promised to give a shit multiple days now.

*This is not a reason why I think Nacho is scum. However, a number of people if you analyze the night kills knew Nacho's playstyle. The remaining two with history I know about are myself and Andrius. Now, my problem with this 'argument', is it leads to an orgy of evidence wifomic problem. (Look up 'orgy of evidence' in TVTropes). Scum could be killing people with a history with Nacho to make us fucking look there, but Nacho's still a good lynch DESPITE that. Or even BECAUSE of it.

Ok, so all the purple is the same reason ~ he's been apathetic. Problem with that is in all his recent games I've read he's been apathetic.

The last one is meta (which is still pretty much the apathetic thing), and I'll give that a lot of people are 100% sold on meta. I'm not one of those because what do you do when someone's playstyle changes drastically? And then an orgy of evidence usually indicates just the opposite of what that evidence seems to point to.

Iffy meta and apathy given his recent games aren't enough to sway me from the town read virtually all of his posts on Aug 20th, among others, have firmly planted in my mind.

The bold really needs to be explained though...

In post 4499, Ghostlin wrote:

In post 4491, waynegg wrote:That would be a waste if you're town. But it kinda sounds like a challenge. Always like a challenge. Tell you what...if you get run up to L-1 I'll call your bluff.

Girls, girls. You're both fucking pretty.

Seriously, neither of you are scum, and it's a fucking waste either way. Andy, you know Wayne's into fringe theory from the 'saga game. Wayne, Andrius isn't scum. Fuck, I'm not scum. Run me up to L-1, and I guarantee no one in this town will fucking lynch me.

I've had Andy town since I started reading D1 (though his first wall glows with the same glow as his first in LotR), but I'm not going to back down from a challenge. If he's town and wants to take another townie down with him, let it be on his head.

Now a legit reason from this game to see some scum in him (aside from his first wall since as I said I don't weigh meta heavily). He claims to have a veng role that can kill only town while being town. I can see that. What I can't see is him going on with the 'lynch me!' campaign knowing that if he's telling the truth, scum would never hammer because it would out them. That means ONLY town would risk lynching him if they think he's lying. That leads into motivation.

From a town mindset, where's the motivation to continue his self push? Why would he be pushing to take a town with him if he's really town? It's only his recent stuff that's seemed scummy enough for me to hammer if he gets to L-1 and call his bluff.

in addition to 4498, my basic reasons are in 4456. which reminds me, i should get around to doing that vca, but i probably won't until tomorrow if at all.

@Andrius

I see what you're saying now. Like I said, I've had you as town since D1. Please don't give me a reason to lose faith...

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Pretty sure that's L-1

Trust in me as you once did.

Andy

you have been friends with Nacho longer than me

you can read Nacho better than me

you are more likely to me right than me

Are you really that convinced that Nacho is scum? Do you want me to hammer?

*not going to hammer late this time

<3

-MS

that post is fucking terrible.

ok lol gonna be straightforward then

andy reads nacho better than me

if he says so its probably right so even though i <3 nacho andy <3<3<3 nacho so i hafta listen to him

much better

the funny thing about the nacho wagon is it has none of {desp, aj, bro} on it, and of those three, only bro has expressed interest in it. the other two have been largely non-factors today.

What's funny about it? I think my lack of expressed interest in the Nacho wagon is a pretty clear indication of my feeling on it.

In post 4507, zMuffinMan wrote:the funny thing about the nacho wagon is it has none of {desp, aj, bro} on it, and of those three, only bro has expressed interest in it. the other two have been largely non-factors today.

Thanks for understanding that all the time I've had to dedicate to this game today has been trying to reveal I'm telling the truth about my claim. I'm on a very short schedule and I believe a vote without reason on the most major wagon is a cardinal sin.

AJ:

In post 4467, Desperado wrote:

In post 4463, Aj The Epic wrote:I dislike "full claims" because of the possibility of infringing on mod ruling. That said, I am Fei Fong Wong, bullet proof townie AKA Reincarnated Contact. My role gives good reason for me to believe that a traitor exists in this game.

Earlier you argued that BP = traitor because setup balance, but now you're saying you got role related info that a traitor exists. Which is it?

Desp, I've always been trying to hint that I knew, but I was worried about infringing on any claiming rules and so I merely alluded to it as a possibility. I don't claim often (actually, almost never) so I'm out of touch with what's acceptable.

MS where is Varsoon I want to talk to him about the claim

In post 4500, waynegg wrote:The bold really needs to be explained though...

Yes, that sentence is incomplete.

It should read, 'Nacho, has in the past quite publically caught me as scum because....'

I was jumping rapidly from thought to thought and dropped a participle or two.

In post 4508, Desperado wrote:What's funny about it? I think my lack of expressed interest in the Nacho wagon is a pretty clear indication of my feeling on it.

Not really, it seems more that you don't want to discuss the wagon. Do you find Nacho to be town, and if so, who's scum?

In post 4494, Nachomamma8 wrote:actually i might be a poor lynch today and might not have to effort away quite yet

your role is a vanillaizer that only works on scum
means that it's hard as hell to use and mostly useless unless the scumteam is stacked
there's no reason to limit varsoon's vanilla cop unless the scumteam is similarly stacked with PRs

You still have yet to explain where you're going with this thought.

In post 4479, Faster Than Light wrote:according to the above VC it seems that this is a town driven wagon


the last time that happened we got a nick lynch...

....No, we finally managed to lynch someone I called scum for three days straight. The Nick wagon was someone who was delusional Town calling a wagon 'by townies, for townies to lynch scum.'

It didn't live up to the hype.

In post 4516, Trust Fund wrote:

In post 4494, Nachomamma8 wrote:actually i might be a poor lynch today and might not have to effort away quite yet

your role is a vanillaizer that only works on scum
means that it's hard as hell to use and mostly useless unless the scumteam is stacked
there's no reason to limit varsoon's vanilla cop unless the scumteam is similarly stacked with PRs

You still have yet to explain where you're going with this thought.

He's either saying you're lying, Varshoon's lying or one of you is scum, would be my guess.

In post 4492, Nachomamma8 wrote:DESPERADO/BRO, FULLCLAIM KIDS

In post 4496, Ghostlin wrote:This is bullshit. You know this is bullshit. Town Nacho has nothing to lose and everything to gain by disclosing his cases for full Town consumption. We've been waiting for Nacho to show up four in game days now.

Nut up or shut up and be lynched. We might do it anyway, but at least this way you tried.

My cases in mind are mostly PoE. BRO has been a read that I've gone back and forth on the entire day, AJ being shot and then claiming one-shot bulletproof is pretty claiming miller in response to being copped (not to mention that one-shot bulletproof makes no fucking sense in a one-faction game with a limited vig), and I literally forgot Desperado was in the game and usually he is one of my homies. Cases on people being town? Much better, thought about a lot more since I've been digging at weakpoints in my reads and haven't found anything interesting yet.

In post 4497, BROseidon wrote:Why the fuck would I ever claim before L-1 ever?

You're a strong possibility for scum, several power roles have outted and will be shot over you because they are NOT scumspects, and one of you three clearing yourselves would tell me that something's gone and I could start reanalyzing now as opposed to later.

In post 4498, Ghostlin wrote:He's hedged his bet

How are my bets hedged now? Who can I push other than those three without getting absolutely ruined?

In post 4498, Ghostlin wrote:There's nothing to indicate that Nacho's town, either.

Then why the hell am I the priority to be lynched? You know that I would be playing a low-key game regardless of my alignment. You know that occasionally I fade into the background (later days in Xenoblade). You know that I do have the capacity to step up my game. Lynching me because I'm not "high profile" enough is a poor Burden of Proficiency case, especially when you require me to step it up on days when I am pretty clearly busy. There's no reason for me to lurk as either alignment, you know I know how to post as scum, hence I'm probably lurking because I don't have shit for time.

In post 4503, Andrius wrote:Trust in me as you once did.

What happens when scum hold the hammer on your wagon?

In post 4508, Desperado wrote:What's funny about it? I think my lack of expressed interest in the Nacho wagon is a pretty clear indication of my feeling on it.

Why haven't you talked about it? Me getting wagonned should be something you have thoughts on.

In post 4516, Trust Fund wrote:

In post 4494, Nachomamma8 wrote:actually i might be a poor lynch today and might not have to effort away quite yet

your role is a vanillaizer that only works on scum
means that it's hard as hell to use and mostly useless unless the scumteam is stacked
there's no reason to limit varsoon's vanilla cop unless the scumteam is similarly stacked with PRs

You still have yet to explain where you're going with this thought.

I'm thinking the scumteam is composed of all PRs/non-goons, meaning the Vanilla result is strong evidence of me being town. Hence why I want BRO/desp to fullclaim and am lynching AJ the Epic; varsoon will be able to check if BRO/desp are vanilla and that will strongly influence my read on them if we all are so lucky to survive two days from now. Roleblocker's dead and we haven't lost a strong protective role yet (but we have lost a one-shot JK), so chances FTL will live to provide results is actually not that bad.

Ghostlin, what townread do you want explained?

UNVOTE:


Make sweet town love with the rest of the player list, or that goes back, nacho.

In post 4520, Nachomamma8 wrote:Ghostlin, what townread do you want explained?

Explain where you're going with 4494. TF's confused, I'm confused...

See bottom of #4519, Ghostlin.

In post 4519, Nachomamma8 wrote: I'm thinking the scumteam is composed of all PRs/non-goons, meaning the Vanilla result is strong evidence of me being town. Hence why I want BRO/desp to fullclaim and am lynching AJ the Epic; varsoon will be able to check if BRO/desp are vanilla and that will strongly influence my read on them if we all are so lucky to survive two days from now. Roleblocker's dead and we haven't lost a strong protective role yet (but we have lost a one-shot JK), so chances FTL will live to provide results is actually not that bad.

one of the 3 reasons why I am not voting nacho <3


btw my role is non-consecutive so i cant get results next night lol
restrictions sux