New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Transcend]

Oh Zach, I'm only kidding. U needs ta chill.

I'm probably legitimately going to case implosion in the next couple of days.

I'd be happy seeing his slot get lynched and if it means dogging through these 180 some pages to make a convincing case then damn it ima try

but don't be surprised if i end up being lazy as well.

[kraska77]

[quote="In post 4499
Yeah that did take a decent fucking amount of effort. I had to upload those screenshots to imgur, god damn it.[/quote]
time and effort that should have been spent on scumhunting instead smh




(ok im done with shitposting goodnight)

[Transcend]

Digging*

I'm enjoying the shitposting from all parties.

[Zachstralkita]

Yeah except I found scum b4... And I looked at your scum list and trust me

do not talk about effort LOL

[Boem_u_dusi]

Shitposting is underrated.

[podoboq]

podoboq, do you have a special reason to trust beeboy's miller claim as well? Just wondering

1) I townread beeboy. Don't know why. Mostly gut.
2) Setup spec on my part. There needs to be a cop to justify Miller, though, so going down this PR rabbit hole has made the claim look a little worse.
3) The way beeboy claimed looks honest. Claiming a negative utility with no pressure on day 2 right after replacing in would have been a weird play as scum.

[podoboq]

Silence, fool
Can you like
pipe down and chair the symposium?
Podo has been crumbling pr for a while now btw

I mean.....no? Sure? Maybe?

I've been claiming

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, which gives me reason to not only believe, but expect that there are many town PRs, and that something is based on information unique to my slot.

If we end up wagoning anyone who's claimed a protective role (like Almost50), I plan to explain that.

[podoboq]

I want to know implosion and podoboq alignments the most.

I'm town. Not sure about implosion.

[podoboq]

We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

That's the idea, yeah. If people want to lynch me, they're dumb, but if that's going to be the trend, then do it so I can claim, you can realize that I'm definitely town, and we still have time to redirect elsewhere.

[Boem_u_dusi]

We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

That's the idea, yeah. If people want to lynch me, they're dumb, but if that's going to be the trend, then do it so I can claim, you can realize that I'm definitely town, and we still have time to redirect elsewhere.

I was talking about implosion?

[GuyInFreezer]

Hoo boy

vc 2.14

kraska77 (1):

AGar

Mirhawk (2):

PeregrineV, shannon

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

Boem_u_dusi (1):

Wake88

PeregrineV (5):

Almost50, Dunnstral, implosion, Airick10, kraska77

Titus (3):

Varsoon, pobodoq, beeboy

podoboq (2):

Zackstralkita, Titus

implosion (2):

Boem_u_dusi, Transcend

Not Voting:

None

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

[podoboq]

We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

That's the idea, yeah. If people want to lynch me, they're dumb, but if that's going to be the trend, then do it so I can claim, you can realize that I'm definitely town, and we still have time to redirect elsewhere.

I was talking about implosion?

By that logic, what wagon isn't pointless? One on somebody's who has already claimed?

[Boem_u_dusi]

We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

That's the idea, yeah. If people want to lynch me, they're dumb, but if that's going to be the trend, then do it so I can claim, you can realize that I'm definitely town, and we still have time to redirect elsewhere.

I was talking about implosion?

By that logic, what wagon isn't pointless? One on somebody's who has already claimed?

Let's just rope somebody and get on to D3, my patience is running out.

[podoboq]

We have around 5 days left. This vote is probably pointless because he can just pop in and claim some crap.

That's the idea, yeah. If people want to lynch me, they're dumb, but if that's going to be the trend, then do it so I can claim, you can realize that I'm definitely town, and we still have time to redirect elsewhere.

I was talking about implosion?

By that logic, what wagon isn't pointless? One on somebody's who has already claimed?

Let's just rope somebody and get on to D3, my patience is running out.

Agreed.
VOTE: Titus

My read on Boem is getting townier, by the way. He's looking more and more new the more I interact with him, and I wouldn't expect newb scum to be comfortable bussing, or saying stuff like this.

[podoboq]

Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

I claim Vanilla Townie.

By the way, that's the third VT claim. Titus and shannon have also claimed VT, just to remind everyone.

Role madness isn't plausible, so I don't know where Dunn's comment came from.

[Zachstralkita]

Podo according to VC you were already voting Titus? Was that vote for emphasis or did you just want to feel special?


I'm gonna need this Titus wagon to cease and desist

[Boem_u_dusi]

Zach, who's your top choice besides PeregrineV? We have 4 days left and some players are inactive so I think we should consolidate.

[implosion]

Or are you saying "named townie isn't explicitely normal"

Because that's just untrue

It is, in fact, true.
I use the term "explicitly normal" here in the sense that it is used on mafiascum; a large normal setup is allowed to have at most two not-explicitly-normal roles.

because what moderator in their right mind would conceive of the idea of a backup nurse without a nurse

if they were going for something like that they would just put a nurse without a doctor or a deputy without a cop. Those are sort of standby choices (along with miller) for moderators looking to add a named townie to a setup. They wouldn't think of it.

Well, we don't KNOW there isn't a deputy (or a Cop with no deputy for that matter). The former become "already done" in response to your suggestion, while the latter becomes "no can do".

Now as for the doctor -and precisely for our case here in this game- I guess the setup needed one. So, I'm MERELY SPECULATING- that either a Cop OR a Deputy is in play and thus the mod got cornered between including a Backup Nurse w/o there being a Nurse or adding a Backup Deputy.

Obviously I'm NOT an expert in setup balancing (I only modded one game that had a fixed standard open setup and still somehow managed to slip up to confirm TWO players roles, so I'll just shut up now!)

This is interesting discussion as this is only speculation it being a closed game, so I don't want to read too much into this and I think it's quite a challenge to try and figure that out blind. But a couple questions.

- Implosion, I agree that adding a backup nurse or deputy without a nurse or deputy is pretty crazy. So are you saying if there is a backup nurse, there can only be a nurse without a doctor? What would a nurse be able to do without a doctor? And with this logic, do you believe Mirhawk's/Varsoon's claims?

Where the hell did I say this. I said that there are all three (backup nurse, nurse, doctor). I believe Mirhawk's claim. As I've said, I still think it's possible that he's scum (specifically a mafia doctor) but it's significantly less likely. I honestly have no idea how you got this from what I've posted.

podoboq, do you have a special reason to trust beeboy's miller claim as well? Just wondering

2) Setup spec on my part. There needs to be a cop to justify Miller, though, so going down this PR rabbit hole has made the claim look a little worse.

This is strictly wrong on mafiascum; miller without a cop is perfectly valid in normal games, specifically so that you can't infer the presence of a cop from the presence of a miller. See the above link. It also happens in practice.

[podoboq]

Podo according to VC you were already voting Titus? Was that vote for emphasis or did you just want to feel special?


I'm gonna need this Titus wagon to cease and desist

Emphasis :3

[podoboq]

podoboq, do you have a special reason to trust beeboy's miller claim as well? Just wondering

2) Setup spec on my part. There needs to be a cop to justify Miller, though, so going down this PR rabbit hole has made the claim look a little worse.

This is strictly wrong on mafiascum; miller without a cop is perfectly valid in normal games, specifically so that you can't infer the presence of a cop from the presence of a miller. See the above link. It also happens in practice.

I misspoke. There needs to be a Cop to Justify Miller, but we can have a Miller without that kind of justification, and it can act as just a named townie. I know Millers can exist without cops, (and nurses without docs, etc), but a Miller without a Cop is more suspicious to me, because I think it

is

less likely.

[implosion]

Anyway. My list of townreads right now that are strong enough that I'm not really willing to lynch them today is (in no particular order) {wake, dunn, kraska, varsoon, podoboq, zach, titus, boem}. Mirhawk vaguely falls in this list for now as well.

Other people that I suspect are town and so would prefer not to lynch are {beeboy, shannon, Airick}. But it would not surprise me if I was wrong on any of them, especially Airick, and I'm willing to entertain wagons just because of the sheer number of stronger townreads I have.

That leaves {PeregrineV, AGar, Almost50, Transcend}. And that's, once again, a pretty damn small list of people that I'm not townreading. Just for reference, the final Vedith wagon was:

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

I guess Transcend has the blitzing-thing in his favor. I never really found anything he did very readable after the early pages and that read faded over time. I'd love to see him case me. Or really do anything other than pester me for thousands of pages.

[implosion]

(well, pester me and vote pretty much everyone in the game arbitrarily with the winds)

[implosion]

ironically every person being voted right now except for peregrine is actually in my strong townreads <_<

[Wake1]

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

Podo according to VC you were already voting Titus? Was that vote for emphasis or did you just want to feel special?


I'm gonna need this Titus wagon to cease and desist

That Titus wagon is fueled by scum.

The PV wagon is fueled by town.

At some point, you're going to need to realize PV is Vedith recycled by different town players are playing different roles regarding the wagon pushes. Same with k77.