Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:31 am
by CloudKicker
This is my first post of a series to try to get the record straight. This one is about how Rainn vs me started, why I fosed them and how hes being an hypocrite and has be grudge voting me since then
Summary:
Not quoted there, he also admitted, the same way I did, that being manipulative in this game is somewhat expected yet he try to push the narrative that I am scum for being "manipulative"
He has insulted me very very early into the exchange, and did react over the top, yet push the narrative that this makes me scum
He used ATE and manipulative wording to try to sway my reads early on. He got emotional very quickly
He tried openly buddied Sakura and Pisskop very early into the game, asking them to help him lynch me, that is after the fact he claimed he didn't think I did anything scummy
He claimed many times that i was getting on his nerves, like Robb (he mentionned him like 3-4 times in different posts).
Spoiler: My push on Rainn at his replace in
In post 2600, Tanaka wrote:Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.In post 2594, CloudKicker wrote:Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push
I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured
I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.
The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.
I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.
In post 2602, Tanaka wrote:CK essentially if you're town I think you suck at reading me so at the very least so I hope you stop actively trying to do it?
it's annoying.
My scum game isn't "textbook" anyway.
In post 2603, CloudKicker wrote:If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.In post 2600, Tanaka wrote:Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.In post 2594, CloudKicker wrote:Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push
I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured
I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.
The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.
I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.
IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.
In post 2608, CloudKicker wrote:If I am town? who are you trying to convinceIn post 2602, Tanaka wrote:CK essentially if you're town I think you suck at reading me so at the very least so I hope you stop actively trying to do it?
it's annoying.
My scum game isn't "textbook" anyway.
You think cheap wal-mart ate will make me change my early read?
You make it seems like you are annoyed but your choice of words seems very calculated to me and you dont convey any emotions IMO
Be town by being town, until then snapping back at me won’t ger you far
In post 2612, Tanaka wrote:Stop being obnoxious and throwing words like "obvious" easily. There is nothing "obvious" in this game. It's just a word you use arrogantly and I particularly hate it when people use it in a serious post.In post 2603, CloudKicker wrote:If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.In post 2600, Tanaka wrote:Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.In post 2594, CloudKicker wrote:Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push
I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured
I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.
The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.
I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.
IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.
Also, what part of "I'm lazy and am only skimming through the game" you didn't get?
From what I had skimmed through Sakura's ISO there was not much in heavily-AI posts aside from her interactions with RC.
Someone can post 2000 posts and still be not confidently readable. Sometimes you get a nice read on someone out of one post. I deemed Sakura slot to not have enough for me to be sure that she was town from what I had skimmed on her ISO, so I did what I did.
You're really obnoxious and the reason I've been rage quitting quite a bit out of games.
Like, you actually town read pisskpop.
What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom.
In post 2619, CloudKicker wrote:Ure obviously mad I give I tr a slot easily that you probably would’nt have townread as town, obviousIn post 2612, Tanaka wrote:Stop being obnoxious and throwing words like "obvious" easily. There is nothing "obvious" in this game. It's just a word you use arrogantly and I particularly hate it when people use it in a serious post.In post 2603, CloudKicker wrote:If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.In post 2600, Tanaka wrote:Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.In post 2594, CloudKicker wrote:Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push
I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured
I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.
The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.
I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.
IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.
Also, what part of "I'm lazy and am only skimming through the game" you didn't get?
From what I had skimmed through Sakura's ISO there was not much in heavily-AI posts aside from her interactions with RC.
Someone can post 2000 posts and still be not confidently readable. Sometimes you get a nice read on someone out of one post. I deemed Sakura slot to not have enough for me to be sure that she was town from what I had skimmed on her ISO, so I did what I did.
You're really obnoxious and the reason I've been rage quitting quite a bit out of games.
Like, you actually town read pisskpop.
What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom.
In post 2622, Tanaka wrote:I had written a wall about this but i clumsily deleted it and i'm not going to write all that again.In post 2608, CloudKicker wrote:If I am town? who are you trying to convinceIn post 2602, Tanaka wrote:CK essentially if you're town I think you suck at reading me so at the very least so I hope you stop actively trying to do it?
it's annoying.
My scum game isn't "textbook" anyway.
You think cheap wal-mart ate will make me change my early read?
You make it seems like you are annoyed but your choice of words seems very calculated to me and you dont convey any emotions IMO
Be town by being town, until then snapping back at me won’t ger you far
Director cut version:
You're just one of many people that keeps annoying me for silly stuff while I'm actually trying to solve the game. I'm fed up with it and if you're town, I would rather have you stay on your corner for a while before jumping on me, because that's very very annoying.
In post 2626, Tanaka wrote:Ok it's story timeIn post 2619, CloudKicker wrote:Ure obviously mad I give I tr a slot easily that you probably would’nt have townread as town, obviousIn post 2612, Tanaka wrote:Stop being obnoxious and throwing words like "obvious" easily. There is nothing "obvious" in this game. It's just a word you use arrogantly and I particularly hate it when people use it in a serious post.In post 2603, CloudKicker wrote:If you cared about reading her alignement w/o making her explode or flail, there was enough content to read her correctly every single time.In post 2600, Tanaka wrote:Cloudkiker I think you don't know what you're talking about.In post 2594, CloudKicker wrote:Also the whole sakura shading/vote is abhorrent. Plus you can see how a t slot (pisskop) handled their sakura foses vs tanaka where it was sloppy, shallow and just a very irrelevant push
I pressured Sakura because I think it's easiest to read her when she is a bit pressured
I suddenly stopped pressuring her because if she is town (and her reaction seemed to be imo), she can get very upset about it and that wouldn't be nice.
The unique reason I did it as well so early was because if pisskop or someone else got convinced to get on sakura case, if she is town I think that hard defending her would really be more healthy to the game, she is kind of like nancy and doesn't react well to a lot of pressure.
I wanted in a 30 minutes interaction make myself 100% confident that Sakura was town and although I didn't manage 100%, I think I'm fine with putting it to 80%.
IMO this is a weaboo buddying spectacle, as if you actually put an effort in reading her when it was pretty obvious you planned to get to her good side since the very start.
Also, what part of "I'm lazy and am only skimming through the game" you didn't get?
From what I had skimmed through Sakura's ISO there was not much in heavily-AI posts aside from her interactions with RC.
Someone can post 2000 posts and still be not confidently readable. Sometimes you get a nice read on someone out of one post. I deemed Sakura slot to not have enough for me to be sure that she was town from what I had skimmed on her ISO, so I did what I did.
You're really obnoxious and the reason I've been rage quitting quite a bit out of games.
Like, you actually town read pisskpop.
What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom.
In two of my recent games I was like:
"Hey guys, you're being silly for TR X for that"
People were like
"Nah we got this covered"
X was scum.
In post 2630, CloudKicker wrote:Btw I will give tanaka space but him blaming me for not catching up is bullshit, he has been there for pages and still 0 content
In post 2632, Tanaka wrote:Actually CK annoyed me to such a point that I'm becoming unmotivated to read the game from start.
Sakura what's you read on me right now?
Because if this is some hopeless game like Mini Colors I'm just going to stop tryharding
In post 2634, CloudKicker wrote:Not its literraly his RVS phase, notice he voted you but didnt vote pisskop?In post 2631, Sakura Hana wrote:He said im 80% town.In post 2630, CloudKicker wrote:Btw I will give tanaka space but him blaming me for not catching up is bullshit, he has been there for pages and still 0 content
He also said PK is sly scum.
That's content.
Why do you think sakura, is it coherent? He 100% had the intention to remove his vote on you the moment he voted you, the rxn test/justification sounds premade and just scum plan, thats my 2 cents
In post 2637, CloudKicker wrote:Convenient as fuck, isn it? Why dont you try to find my alignement via reading? What If im scum and i am antagonizing you on purpose since you replaced in a townread slot?In post 2632, Tanaka wrote:Actually CK annoyed me to such a point that I'm becoming unmotivated to read the game from start.
Sakura what's you read on me right now?
Because if this is some hopeless game like Mini Colors I'm just going to stop tryharding
How is it a hopeless game when you havent read shit lmao
In post 2638, Tanaka wrote:Sakura. That's why I quickly got off you.
Because I know it's painful for you, so I just did it really quick and in a minimalist way to be sure that hard defending you here would be the right move to prevent disrupting.
In post 2642, CloudKicker wrote:This seems like scum trying to clone their town behavior in past games, trying to bank for a quick pocket and didnt expect to get called outIn post 2638, Tanaka wrote:Sakura. That's why I quickly got off you.
Because I know it's painful for you, so I just did it really quick and in a minimalist way to be sure that hard defending you here would be the right move to prevent disrupting.
In post 2644, Tanaka wrote:Cloudkicker, if you're scum this game is going to be really simple and convenient, but i don't really think the content you've posted is scummy yet so therefore the chances you're just misguided town bothering me are higher.
it's just annoying, and i can't lynch someone for being annoying.
I could make up reasons you're scum rn but that's not really ethical.
In post 2647, Tanaka wrote:CK hasn't claimed yet and I don't trust non-complete claims so easilyIn post 2639, Sakura Hana wrote:So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.
I didn't even trust robb straight doc claiming at all
I don't know CK historic so I can't be sure that when he says "it's a 100% clear" it's actually a 100% clear and not just a partial clear that he is "confident" about.
In post 2649, CloudKicker wrote:How would you know I haven’t claim?In post 2647, Tanaka wrote:CK hasn't claimed yet and I don't trust non-complete claims so easilyIn post 2639, Sakura Hana wrote:So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.
I didn't even trust robb straight doc claiming at all
I don't know CK historic so I can't be sure that when he says "it's a 100% clear" it's actually a 100% clear and not just a partial clear that he is "confident" about.
In post 2651, Tanaka wrote:I asked if the clear was 100% and she didn't answer me "he has a cop check on me" or something.In post 2649, CloudKicker wrote:How would you know I haven’t claim?In post 2647, Tanaka wrote:CK hasn't claimed yet and I don't trust non-complete claims so easilyIn post 2639, Sakura Hana wrote:So why did u resort to that when in my summary i told you i was apparently (and misunderstood) mechanically clear.
I didn't even trust robb straight doc claiming at all
I don't know CK historic so I can't be sure that when he says "it's a 100% clear" it's actually a 100% clear and not just a partial clear that he is "confident" about.
It was obvious that you hadn't claimed.
In post 2657, Tanaka wrote:I can't deal with this guy at allIn post 2642, CloudKicker wrote:This seems like scum trying to clone their town behavior in past games, trying to bank for a quick pocket and didnt expect to get called outIn post 2638, Tanaka wrote:Sakura. That's why I quickly got off you.
Because I know it's painful for you, so I just did it really quick and in a minimalist way to be sure that hard defending you here would be the right move to prevent disrupting.
he tries to fit everything in his god damn narrative
he is like robb
and robb was a idiot voting me while i had got 2/3 of the scum team.
so you're either scum or really annoying and i would rather not put any effort into this while you're playing this way
In post 2661, Tanaka wrote:Ok I didn't mean to badmouth Robb like that but Cloud has really annoyed me here
In post 2670, Tanaka wrote:anyway continuing i'm annoyed at ck and i don't feel like trying anymore
pisskpop, can i take that as you saying you're confirmable town?
In post 2675, Tanaka wrote:Pisskpop, want to form an alliance and lynch CK as a counterwagon?
In post 2681, Tanaka wrote:A push like that on me is never healthy
It's like Robb v2.0
I don't want a robb v2.0, I stressed myself enough this past month
In post 2684, Tanaka wrote:I solved it by luck tbh, I'm just putting airs because CK is genuinely getting on my nerves and I want to badmouth himIn post 2679, Sakura Hana wrote:Don't let CK get to you, i for one value your reads if i can figure out you're town here (i mean you solved the game i couldn't).In post 2676, Tanaka wrote:Hmm...what do you mean here sakura?In post 2672, Sakura Hana wrote:What am i, chopped liver?In post 2661, Tanaka wrote:but Cloud has really annoyed me here
Spoiler: Why I fosed them + observations
I still think this exchange is extremely scummy from Rainn. You can see that he resorted to insults the 2nd post he made about my fos on him and he reacted extremely defensively
(I basically react the very same way). Hes resorting to "ate" like "if youre town" & "if youre scum" which is also manipulative. He tries to make cheap alliance and buddying with both Sakuara (the mason joke claim) & Pisskop (asking them to help them lynch me).
He also mentions that I use the strong words and that he dislikes that, yet he never mention that its scum indicative per his own reads. This is odd, why would he want someone to stop "scumtelling" from his own tell?
IMO its personal, he basically states that he hates player who are obnoxious, he mentions he has been rage quiting for players like me
- Then he challenges me on my pisskop read, I hate his line
Then I answer something antagonistic because I want to see how far he will go, using words he just expressed he disliked.
His frustration that I am townreading piss and not him is odd to me. Why not just call me scum and call it a day? I already scumtold per his own word tell or whatever, but he still into "ate"
-2626 is a hideous post, basically whining
-2622 he basically appeals to me as town and ask me to back off which I do in 2630 (because I am town mind you and I actually want him to have space and make content)
10 posts later..
-2632 He claims that I annoyed him too much and he don't want/won't read the game. He also mention that he won't tryhard
Imagine then, that this slot is saying that I am mafia for reacting over the top. He basically made 25 posts, 2 hours after replace-in, he has been fosed once & I gave him space when he appealed to town me. Once given space, he makes a wifom post that has no content, blames me for his lack of motivation, implies that he sees the game as hopeless (this is not rational to think so when he hasnt read) and he falsy implies that he has been "tryharding",
This is a manipulative post as it gets and very ungenuine
-I answer with 2637 : Why would I give space to a slot who asked me space and not use it? Then blame me when I just gave what he asked? So far into the game he also did not imply that I was mafia which is odd. I felt like maybe he should be more on his guard and expect me antagonizing him could be a scum strat to kill someone's motivation, which is what I question him about.
2644-2649-2651: are okay posts
2657:. Then he votes me saying I am impossible to play with and just like robb.
Then he makes a few posts talking about Robb, saying I am annoying to him and getting on nerves. After 2642, I didn't engage him for a while and gave him space (again) yet he talks about my slot for a good 3-4 posts.
(I basically react the very same way). Hes resorting to "ate" like "if youre town" & "if youre scum" which is also manipulative. He tries to make cheap alliance and buddying with both Sakuara (the mason joke claim) & Pisskop (asking them to help them lynch me).
He also mentions that I use the strong words and that he dislikes that, yet he never mention that its scum indicative per his own reads. This is odd, why would he want someone to stop "scumtelling" from his own tell?
IMO its personal, he basically states that he hates player who are obnoxious, he mentions he has been rage quiting for players like me
(and you can see, its only been a few posts we exchanged, I wasnt even being too much of an ass there)
- Then he challenges me on my pisskop read, I hate his line
"Like, you actually town read pisskpop.
What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom."
What the hell man. The unique thing that pisskpop did was to fool around a bit in thread and antagonize Sakura for reasons that might for what we know be related to boredom."
Then I answer something antagonistic because I want to see how far he will go, using words he just expressed he disliked.
"Ure obviously mad I give I tr a slot easily that you probably would’nt have townread as town, obvious"
His frustration that I am townreading piss and not him is odd to me. Why not just call me scum and call it a day? I already scumtold per his own word tell or whatever, but he still into "ate"
-2626 is a hideous post, basically whining
-2622 he basically appeals to me as town and ask me to back off which I do in 2630 (because I am town mind you and I actually want him to have space and make content)
10 posts later..
-2632 He claims that I annoyed him too much and he don't want/won't read the game. He also mention that he won't tryhard
anymore
if the game is hopeless
Imagine then, that this slot is saying that I am mafia for reacting over the top. He basically made 25 posts, 2 hours after replace-in, he has been fosed once & I gave him space when he appealed to town me. Once given space, he makes a wifom post that has no content, blames me for his lack of motivation, implies that he sees the game as hopeless (this is not rational to think so when he hasnt read) and he falsy implies that he has been "tryharding",
which is just very objectively untrue
This is a manipulative post as it gets and very ungenuine
-I answer with 2637 : Why would I give space to a slot who asked me space and not use it? Then blame me when I just gave what he asked? So far into the game he also did not imply that I was mafia which is odd. I felt like maybe he should be more on his guard and expect me antagonizing him could be a scum strat to kill someone's motivation, which is what I question him about.
2644-2649-2651: are okay posts
2657:
He just said he didn't think I was mafia
, then he react badly to my 2642 "This seems like scum trying to clone their town behavior in past games, trying to bank for a quick pocket and didnt expect to get called out"
Then he makes a few posts talking about Robb, saying I am annoying to him and getting on nerves. After 2642, I didn't engage him for a while and gave him space (again) yet he talks about my slot for a good 3-4 posts.
This is what I am referencing when I keep claiming that I feel like Rainn has been grudging my slot.
Summary:
Not quoted there, he also admitted, the same way I did, that being manipulative in this game is somewhat expected yet he try to push the narrative that I am scum for being "manipulative"
He has insulted me very very early into the exchange, and did react over the top, yet push the narrative that this makes me scum
He used ATE and manipulative wording to try to sway my reads early on. He got emotional very quickly
He tried openly buddied Sakura and Pisskop very early into the game, asking them to help him lynch me, that is after the fact he claimed he didn't think I did anything scummy
He claimed many times that i was getting on his nerves, like Robb (he mentionned him like 3-4 times in different posts).
Its obviously personnal