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[Ydrasse]

The wincon is throwing me off of ydrasse, and setting up chain elims with (me, bob, osuka)

okay, now tell me how we succeeded in that if you are sitting here right now having this conversation.

also, tell me why shelly/ydrasse, as a team, decide to make their wincon centered around

you

. only you, throwing you off our trail and no one else.

shelly hopped on as soon as possible with the theater. It was to be triggered when anyone SR you, not revolved around me, and was to prevent a wagon forming on you.
I'll make a wall of why it's Scuk theater soon im at work atm

that doesn't make sense, because there hasn't been a point on this game where i've been threatened with a wagon. there was no need to prevent something that had no chance of forming. looking at the vote counts, i haven't even been voted since d1 — and even those were singular votes at the beginning of the day. no one has been trying to vote against me or really case me, so why would shelly need to defend me?

are you listening? I started to SR you, day 3 and then shelly initiated theater trying to convince me of Ydrasse town (which worked for a bit). It was to quash a wagon before it even started.

and why would we decide to break the emergency glass at the first sign of a scumread, especially from you? you've had suspicion on you throughout this game and there was no momentum against me. do you think that we decide to fake an entire back and forth for however many pages at the first sign of anyone doubting us, which runs the risk of being seen as ingenuine?

[Andresvmb]

I’m not going to ELo with Osuka still in this game. It seems like a terrible idea to me.

[Andresvmb]

There’s a small chance (not one I really believe in, but a small chance) that plus is terrible Town. I’m not gambiting in this position. Eliminate the obvious first, and then look for the harder solve.

[Andresvmb]

Osuka needs to be executed. Put simply, it is far more revealing than any other flip, with the gigantic upside that I’m almost sure it flips Scum.

[Andresvmb]

If I’m throughly overruled on this though, I

will

vote for plus. I just think that it is massively beneficial to start with Osuka. It helps me with Menalque. It solves shellyc. And it continues to sink plus if it flips red. If it doesn’t, then we really need to re-evaluate the whole game. A plus elimination simply doesn’t force me to re-evaluate to the same extent if it’s wrong. It just has to happen.

[Ydrasse]

grumble grumble...

i'll similarly vote for osuka if the consensus is that osuka is the better flip. plus just feels obvious after having sat here for an hour trying to not to bash my head into a wall.

[Ydrasse]

andres, you're town right? you wouldn't try to lead us all astray?

[Andresvmb]

Like yeah, my POE at this stage really is just {Osuka, plus}. NDMath has an outside chance of Scum for sure. But if Osuka is wrong, it really changes everything for me.

[Andresvmb]

andres, you're town right? you wouldn't try to lead us all astray?

I am Town. I have read through in detail to try and make sure I’m not coming across as an idiot. Could I be wrong? Sure. However, I should have very much trusted my gut yesterday and not voted for Bob. I’m still annoyed I helped with that.

[PlusJOYED]

Do you think I'm scum if osuka is red andres?

[Andresvmb]

But I think if you apply the smell test to my posting and position in the game, I think you’ll quickly realize that it would be extremely difficult to pull off what I’ve done so far if I was Scum. And some of it just plainly doesn’t make sense.

[Ydrasse]

for a second i was reading your posts from yesterday andres and i thought you were just straight up lying until i got to the end where you pivoted back to osuka.

...i trust you....

VOTE: osuka

[Andresvmb]

Do you think I'm scum if osuka is red andres?

If Osuka flips Scum, I would flip you only to ensure that you’re not in ELo. See the thing is, I want us to win. And for that to happen, we need to execute Scum and avoid any traps. We still have one more mis-elimination left if Osuka does in fact flip red. I would absolutely burn that on you.

[Andresvmb]

If Osuka flips green, then A LOT has gone wrong. And I would rather find out now than leave it for later.

[PlusJOYED]

Do you think I'm scum if osuka is red andres?

If Osuka flips Scum, I would flip you only to ensure that you’re not in ELo. See the thing is, I want us to win. And for that to happen, we need to execute Scum and avoid any traps. We still have one more mis-elimination left if Osuka does in fact flip red. I would absolutely burn that on you.

fair enough
I ask because if osuka does flip red im not going to be that useful, it"ll be my nail in the coffin for being wrong this game
But my concern is if osuka flips green like I think he will, 3 town 2 maf lylo will be very hard. They only need to convince 1 of the 3 town left that I'm scum and it's over.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah but solving this game would be hard anyway if Osuka is green. So we need to figure that out. I SR the slot, they’ve been pushing me wrong now, and they defended Kerset aggressively. I really do think we’re hitting Scum here. But if we don’t, then we need to know. It’s that simple.

[PlusJOYED]

fair enough andre. I trust you and mena very much, and from what I gather that's the elim for today. There is a chance im just super wrong and osuka is scum

[Andresvmb]

There’s also one post by Kerset (you can go find it but it might help clear up why I have this view of Osuka) that basically says that defending Scum aggressively is a bit of a death sentence, and a Partner wouldn’t really do that. I think that’s exactly what the Scum have been aiming for this game, particularly after a few people made themselves obvious Town.

[PlusJOYED]

intent on osuka. I don't want to hammer but I think this is the only way I'll convince town of my solve

[Andresvmb]

The fact that Kerset was aiming to still try and survive after a few of us came out so aggressively against the slot was also puzzling. But yeah, I think that if Osuka flips red, shellyc is always Town. I would take that one read to the bank.

[PlusJOYED]

The fact that Kerset was aiming to still try and survive after a few of us came out so aggressively against the slot was also puzzling. But yeah, I think that if Osuka flips red, shellyc is always Town. I would take that one read to the bank.

yeah I can see that

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

nope, we're not hammering here.

[osuka]

Still at work but trying to keep up

Shelly is scumfuck and I’m not that sure about Andres but I’ll post the thought process behind that later today when I get off work. Truly a lot has gone wrong in this game

pedit removed the claim

[Andresvmb]

Yeah I mean that post by Osuka confirms it right. shellyc v. Osuka I think is not SvS. At least I doubt it Osuka was pushing shellyc before trying to compromise with the slot to potentially vote for Bob. One of them is surely Scum.

[Andresvmb]

yeah i think the simplest solve for me rn is plus/kerset/osuka.

So your idea is that plus as my partner could avoid voting me untill the end? My wagon had 0 reluctance, this would be a suicide.

Here is what I was talking about.