Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[LaserGuy]

Do we have anything to verify Joda's claim?

[pidgey]

Not really. But he outted himself with a good result imo.

I think of the claimed PRs the one that look suspicious to me at the moment are titus and gamma, gamma ive already went through it for reasons i explained. But everyone is meta vouching him as town so im willing to live with him.

[LaserGuy]

VOTE: BuJaber

This seems like the best way forward at the moment. Hopefully will have a bit of flesh on all my reads within the hour.

[LaserGuy]

Can someone explain to me why people seem to be reading Joey as obvtown/conftown?

[LaserGuy]

UNVOTE:

Just stumbled across BuJ counterclaiming Kiana as VT. This feels very townie to me, so scratch that off my list.

[LaserGuy]

Can someone explain to me why people seem to be reading Joey as obvtown/conftown?

Nevermind, read a bit more here and I understand.

[LaserGuy]

Okay, let's see if we can summarize:

Ranmaru: On meta that feels like Town!Ran. He is fairly transparent when he is scum. Reasonably confident that he's Town.

Gamma: I'm a little suspicious of his vote on Ran today, since I feel it is fairly obvious that Ran is Town and I think these two have played together enough that Gamma ought to know it (and IIRC, Gamma did comment on this earlier in the game before Ran replaced out). I am having trouble reconciling his claim and Joda's in my head, which feel too similar to both be from Town (I have similar problems with the Doc/JK situation). His play seems reasonably consistent with what I have seen from Town!him before. Not going to vote for him today, but keeping an eye on him going forward.

Joda: Her claim feels to unusual and specific to be made up, so I'm inclined to believe that it's probably real, though not necessarily Town. Content level isn't high, but I like her tone and I think her reasoning regarding why she claimed upfront seems plausible to me. Leaning Town, probably moreso than Gamma.

A50: Claim is null beyond that I believe it. I like his tone and don't really get any red flags from his content. He seems notably more composed compared to when I played with him where he was mafia. Leaning Town here.

@A50: Why aren't you voting for pidgey (since you don't scumread marshy)? Do you think all three religion spreaders are Town? Also, what do you think about BuJ?

marshy/pidgey: Assuming that no mafia faction has two religions, then neither of these two can be red, and one of them (or A50, though I think that's less likely) is very likely scum. I don't get strong scum vibes from either one, particularly. D1 marshy compulsively busses his buddies, so the fact that he never jumped on that wagon points away from Orange!marshy. I guess of the three, I think pidgey is most likely orange mafia by PoE, but this isn't a particularly strong read.

Chara: Townreading on meta at the moment. Not red.

Klazam: I get some scummy vibes from this slot, particularly the rather myopic focus on Gamma in D2 and the very questionable claim. On the other hand, this is the only slot that Varsoon really pushed at all, so it's doubtful that Klazam is his buddy.

BuJaber: I don't believe scum would ever counterclaim a VT in the manner that BuJaber did.

OnTheMark: Tone is very townie, seems to be genuinely trying to get caught up and figure things out. Leaning Town at the moment. Having this claim plus a JK plus all the other PRs we've seen is a bit alarming, but it's not impossible if we've got high-powered scum, I guess.

Sharizo: I'm assuming that this claim is going to get verified through night results at some point, so haven't given a lot of thought to their content.

Joey: Tone looks very townie, obviously working toward solving the game.

Liking Klazam as red scum, with one orange in marshy/pidgey (/Maybe A50). Last one is probably in Gamma/Joda or maybe Chara.

We'll go with this for now
VOTE: Klazam

[Almost50]

I mean 17/4
this will help me determine something

*Scratches Head*

I mean, we already have flips from 2 different scum factions, so... no??

[Almost50]

@A50: Why aren't you voting for pidgey (since you don't scumread marshy)? Do you think all three religion spreaders are Town? Also, what do you think about BuJ?

Some genius decided Pidgey should be hosting the olympic games tonight, so he's off the table for today.

As for religion spreaders, I firmly believe one must be Orange scum, since one already flipped Red Scum. That is -of course- unless Orange also have some kind of a useless visiting role (which I don't see what it could be, since it has to also have the ability to confirm itself to become equal to the religion spreader role).

I was suspicious of BuJaber earlier, bit that diminished along the way and I now have him in my town pile.

If it ain't you then it's OTM+Pidgey for Orange and Klazam for Red I think.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Klazam

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean 17/4
this will help me determine something

*Scratches Head*

I mean, we already have flips from 2 different scum factions, so... no??

I get that but I'm trying to work something out about faction size

[Joey_]

Shaz please vig the shit out of ranmaru

[Klazam]

Ok fun times now.

It's nice that a slot that has been doing fuck all got replaced and now is deflecting the wagon to me nicely with flawed logic to start with(buddy with varsoon) then changing to no, I'm red mafia now.

If I hang, you hang next day. I'm happy with that exchange.

[Klazam]

Oh also, why would I push people to lynch me before lynching gamma if I was red? Makes no sense to me. If I was the last membber of my team, no fuvking way im putting my head out there for someone who was being universally scumread, yeah?

[Joey_]

Dont act as if you werent a top 3 lynch for the day for a while. Also, are you going to hardclaim or nah

[Klazam]

Oh I know I'm a top 3 lynch, just pointing out laser's flawed reasoning

And nah what you got is all you get.

[Joey_]

You realize that the mod will tell everyone your role when you flip boyo

[Joey_]

also pid

[Joey_]

nice, auto posting

*also pidgey is never the orange scum in the religion spready, its marshy if theres one

[Klazam]

Can someone explain to me why people seem to be reading Joey as obvtown/conftown?

Im fine with mod flipping me if course. I don't think a claim from me adds to the gamestate so I'm just refusing to claim.

[Klazam]

Ignore that quite, phoneposting

[Gamma Emerald]

Can someone explain to me why people seem to be reading Joey as obvtown/conftown?

Im fine with mod flipping me if course. I don't think a claim from me adds to the gamestate so I'm just refusing to claim.

if you have pertinent info it's on you if it dies with you

[Joey_]

Can someone explain to me why people seem to be reading Joey as obvtown/conftown?

Im fine with mod flipping me if course. I don't think a claim from me adds to the gamestate so I'm just refusing to claim.

it does influence the game, it makes me want to flip you

[Klazam]

Fine, I'm VT, then.

Moving on from this topic.

[Joey_]

VOTE: ranmaru

love u, lets get this claim