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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:38 am
by Bell
I just don't care who's bussing who.
Fred's ~probably~ scum to me.
No matter who votes him it doesn't change these odds. You don't know who's scum and who isn't whether a certain player is bussing, sheeping or is scum hunting or making a plan or whatever.

Just vote the scum murder.
Do it for me. *shiny eyes*

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:41 am
by MURDERCAT
I'm not convinced he is scum, obviously if I were I'd be voting there.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:43 am
by Bell
I'm not really sure what you're expecting to be convinced of in a game with no investigative roles.
I've given a case. My reads aren't amazing, but he's my scum read for those reasons.
I'm going to push everyone to vote that person. If I'm wrong, sucks.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:55 am
by MURDERCAT
You are referring to ?

I just don't think any of that is clearly scummy? I mean yeah he could be scum but I just don't see where the confidence comes from.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:00 am
by Bell
Oh, I fake confidence because I'm just from that era where the only way to get votes moving was to sound like you had a cop guilty on someone.
I also don't really think most scum are just...obviously scum. Their one job is to not be obvious scum.
I think his attention is misplaced in a way that is extremely scummy.
I also think that he's a little more likely to be scum than not due to replacing into a slot that replaced out. I'm not saying that's fair, it's just...Data.
Yes I am aware that Vax replaced into a slot. But the data is the data.

I think he's also expanding his range in a way that's scummy as well.
I think his tone is scummy.

Who is your strongest scum read and why Murder?

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:03 am
by Bell
*sigh*
I just badly want this one elimination.
May I have it? @Everyone: Please?

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:07 am
by MURDERCAT
If I could pass anyone the first scroll right now I'd give it to Pooky. Part of it is that I think Noraa is town, and I am suspicious of people who are SRing the slot still (yes I know that applies to Fred). It feels to me like Pooky has been a little overly defensive in places that stick out too, similar to what I was picking up from LLD. Especially when you see it towards people who Pooky seems to be town reading, it just felt a little off. I think Pooky saying he isn't town reading me is weird, I think town Pooky should be trying to work with me. It doesn't feel like he is really trying to town block at all really. Also, look at his votes.

Spoiler: Pooky votes
In post 267, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:VOTE: Noraa
In post 1066, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yea let's do it

VOTE: Hopkirk
In post 1604, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:VOTE: Tayl0r Swift
In post 4130, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im really glad ms obvscum is still alive

VOTE: T-swizzle
In post 4339, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:VOTE: T-swizzle

this is obviously a scum

she is not even pretending to be trying at this point.
In post 4352, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yea lets just kill fred whatever

VOTE: Fred


I just don't feel like Pooky is working to advance town's win con.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:10 am
by MURDERCAT
I think Fred could be scum sure, but I'm not currently convinced by it and I really want to go S>T>S today. But if no one can see LLD or Pooky as options then I guess we will flip there? If we go town Fred to town Noraa it'll really suck though.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:16 am
by Bell
mmm. Sure.
Personally not willing to go there today (somewhat obviously).
Other people can discuss the Pookie murder if they want.

I don't truly see an issue with his votes without flips. in those areas.
I absolutely don't know whether Pooky is overly defensive as one alignment than as another.
I will give you that it is weird that everyone isn't town reading you at this point.
But it's fairly close to universal. I'd hard defend you and think it would be a scum claim if you got scrolled tbh. Good for you if you're scum.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:19 am
by MURDERCAT
We can hit 1 scum today and be okay so I don't hate going for Fred, but you'll see why the Pooky vote there makes me uneasy. I think what happened on D1 is scum waited until a wagon on a townie could be pushed without much effort and I'm worried that is what is happening today too with Fred.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:20 am
by Bell
It's not the same contextually, at least not to me.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:21 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 4556, MURDERCAT wrote:I just don't feel like Pooky is working to advance town's win con.
lol

Spoiler:
In post 2434, MURDERCAT wrote:Pooky/Shelly/Toogeloo/Vaxkiller/Lapsa

This is the scumteam, no questions please
In post 2454, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: toogoloo
In post 2481, MURDERCAT wrote:Noraa, Hopkirk, please you are both town, let's just flip panda (that's "toogs" btw vax) and then they probably hand the scroll to me and I hit scum number 2. Then you sheep my list until it's proven wrong, which it won't be.
In post 2542, MURDERCAT wrote:Hi taylor welcome to the thread, we are yeeting the panda today
In post 2552, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 2550, Noraa wrote:
In post 2548, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i would kind of expect a town who is wagoned to be like tooge- just say sure whatever gimme the scroll so i can shoot somebody and get this lol thing over with.
I agree with this here.
Which is exactly why scum would do it to try to kill momentum on the wagon
In post 2567, MURDERCAT wrote:lol

Come on, you are both town, let's do panda
In post 2612, MURDERCAT wrote:I couldn't possibly be wrong
In post 2609, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 2604, Noraa wrote:
In post 2599, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 2597, Noraa wrote:To this extent? I am not even confident in my limlo reads so I find it absolutely shocking.
Sometimes everything just clicks and it feels like you can see everything, I know you know that feeling
the last time I got this feeling where I thought I solved the game, I almost killed poor echo
Believe in me like I believe in you

vote panda for curse
In post 2593, MURDERCAT wrote:I literally can't overstate how confident I am in my solve and that flea is therefore town
In post 2581, MURDERCAT wrote:He was referring to town wincon

You are both town

Vote panda for curse
In post 2743, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 2736, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:are we really going to vote Panda out
Yeah we are still doing the player for whom there is no reason to town read except for the fact they showed up to do a very fakeable "obvtown" suicide and then dipped from the thread to see if it would work
In post 2717, MURDERCAT wrote:Literally everyone is town reading me, just vote for panda and let's get this through. We have a 0% chance of hitting scum if we don't pick someone.
In post 2706, MURDERCAT wrote:Why would toog be suicidal as scum, that would be dumb?

Wagon disintegrates

Yeah I wonder why

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:22 am
by MURDERCAT
In post 4560, Bell wrote:It's not the same contextually, at least not to me.
Of course not, you are leading the wagon

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:23 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Ok ShadeCat

tell me which vote of mine you find suspicious and why

go

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:24 am
by MURDERCAT
Like this is what weirds me out Pooky, you respond to stuff by sidestepping it instead of engaging with it. It's the same thing as the Noraa /Pooky can't be scum team stuff, you say that as an argument that you aren't scum without addressing the things that people are SRing you for.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:25 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
nah i just think it's funny that I was right and you're wrong and you go afk and then come back and try to lecture me on working towards a town wincon its wild

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:26 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
but sure ShadeCat you think I'm not working on winning go ahead and explain which of my votes is questionable in your opinion. go ahead

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:28 am
by MURDERCAT
In post 4563, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Ok ShadeCat

tell me which vote of mine you find suspicious and why

go
Are we doing this again? I think I have a cold so I'm going to go lay down but I'll give you one.

This doesn't feel like a genuine question. The point is that you are kind of sitting around without really making hard pushes after the beginning of the game with your push on Noraa. You have reads but it doesn't feel like you are working to get people on your side. It feels kind of performative to me, like you are not actually that interested in eliming the people you are SRing.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:29 am
by MURDERCAT
In post 4565, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:nah i just think it's funny that I was right and you're wrong and you go afk and then come back and try to lecture me on working towards a town wincon its wild
Working towards getting townies to vote with you is working towards a town wincon IMO, even if you end up being wrong.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:29 am
by MURDERCAT
That one was a freebie ^

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:31 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
most of the town is apathetic

the scum are not interested in bussing

this game is over and I have no interest in putting extra effort into trying to push taylor swift given I've already tried and nobody cares

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:34 am
by MURDERCAT
So why should I town read you?

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:34 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i dont care about your reads

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:35 am
by MURDERCAT
Ok why should anyone town read you? I realize I was AFK for a bit but I'd still like to play for a win and that includes figuring out you are town if you are.

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:36 am
by Noraa
How about we go pooky -> me -> fidget?
I wanna take out two SRs of mine in one go.