[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Amrun]

Basic balance facts:

10:2 mountainous is heavily scumsided
11:2 maayyyy be balanced, but is probably still scumsided.

All setups should take that into consideration.

That's a good point.

What would you say about 12:2 mountainous?

More scumsided than 11:2

Why?

[Kcdaspot]

More townies to choose from to lynch than scum.

Scum can hide easier in larger towns.

[callforjudgement]

Basically, because correct play in a 12:2 as town is to no-lynch at some point (either mylo or day 1, not sure which is better), and scum can simply kill the towniest player. So it's effectively an 11:2 where scum have some say over the playerlist, thus town is weaker.

[izakthegoomba]

I think optimal play is to speed-no-lynch on day 1 without saying ANYTHING. Even then, the odds are slightly worse than 2:11 because scum can good rid of a strong town player.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Re-posting 2 set-up ideas of mine for reference (since I intend to run them):

Semi-Nightless:
2-9 all vanilla, scum can't kill N1 or N2.

Diffusion of Power:
4-6 of {N1 Cop, N2 Cop, N3 Cop, N4 Cop, N5 Cop}
6-4 of {N1 Doc, N2 Doc, N3 Doc, N4 Doc, N5 Doc}
3 Goons
+ Rule to exclude the more extreme scenarios to make it less swingy.

[izakthegoomba]

Is duplication allowed for Diffusion of Power?

[Faraday]

As in can someone be a cop and doc? Or a N1 doc and N5 doc? Fairly sure the answer to that is no from what CES said.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You can have multiple N1 Docs (for example), yes.

(And Faraday is correct. Every town player gets to action exactly once.)

[gorckat]

On death, is the night of an action revealed, their role or nothing?

Why not have the N1 cop claim and then reveal his result Day 2 and so on as long as the right Nx Doc is alive?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Just Cop/Doc (to prevent hypoclaims from bogging down the game).

And yes, a N1 Cop can do exactly that. It's certainly optimal play if he has a guilty but claiming an innocent early wouldn't be particularly useful.

[Kublai Khan]

Medical Mountaneous

10 1-shot Docs

2 Scum

[Kcdaspot]

Loleveryonedocsnight1

[Kublai Khan]

Loleveryonedocsnight1

Yeah, if they want to. Scum just has to no-kill and then it runs as a mountaneous which they have the advantage.

[BBmolla]

Medical Mountaneous

10 1-shot Docs

2 Scum

Don't Drop The Soap Mountainous

10 1-shot Jailkeepers

2 Scum

Twice the amount of possibilities each night rendering the town roles even more useless woo.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I like KK's. BB's suggestion is town-sided (just consider what happens if one scum gets lynched.)

[quadz08]

Medical Mountaneous

10 1-shot Docs

2 Scum

Don't Drop The Soap Mountainous

10 1-shot Jailkeepers

2 Scum

Twice the amount of possibilities each night rendering the town roles even more useless woo.

Don't Drop The Soap Lovers' White Flag

5 pairs of 1-shot Jailkeeper Lovers

1 pair of Scum Lovers

[BBmolla]

Follow The Cop... Or Not

1 Mafia Godfather or Framer
1 Mafia Goon
1 Cop
1 Doc
5 VTs

-Scum have a One-Shot Secret Daykill

[quadz08]

You could just straight up give them a regular daykill.

[BBmolla]

That's actually too scumsided, it should be something more like this:

Follow The Cop... Or Not 7p

2 Mafia Goons

1 Cop
1 Doc
3 VTs

-Scum have a One-Shot Secret Daykill. This daykill takes place of their next night kill.

Follow The Cop... Or Not 9p

1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Rolecop

1 Cop
1 Doc
5 VTs

-Scum have a One-Shot Secret Daykill. This daykill takes place of their next night kill.

[Kcdaspot]

I like the 9p.

[Amrun]

Follow the Cop ... Or Not is the name of a previous set-up.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If the Daykill resolves during the Day, scum will just save it for LyLo to win instantly.

[Kcdaspot]

Take away the daykill when its lylo then.

[Kcdaspot]

Or make it so the daykill can only be used in the first 2 days.

[izakthegoomba]

Or maybe scum can "upgrade" one of their kills to a strongman kill?