10:2 mountainous is heavily scumsided
11:2 maayyyy be balanced, but is probably still scumsided.
All setups should take that into consideration.
That's a good point.
What would you say about 12:2 mountainous?
More scumsided than 11:2
Why?
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:25 pm
by Kcdaspot
More townies to choose from to lynch than scum.
Scum can hide easier in larger towns.
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:59 pm
by callforjudgement
Basically, because correct play in a 12:2 as town is to no-lynch at some point (either mylo or day 1, not sure which is better), and scum can simply kill the towniest player. So it's effectively an 11:2 where scum have some say over the playerlist, thus town is weaker.
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:09 pm
by izakthegoomba
I think optimal play is to speed-no-lynch on day 1 without saying ANYTHING. Even then, the odds are slightly worse than 2:11 because scum can good rid of a strong town player.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:51 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
Re-posting 2 set-up ideas of mine for reference (since I intend to run them):
Semi-Nightless:
2-9 all vanilla, scum can't kill N1 or N2.
Diffusion of Power:
4-6 of {N1 Cop, N2 Cop, N3 Cop, N4 Cop, N5 Cop}
6-4 of {N1 Doc, N2 Doc, N3 Doc, N4 Doc, N5 Doc}
3 Goons
+ Rule to exclude the more extreme scenarios to make it less swingy.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:54 am
by izakthegoomba
Is duplication allowed for Diffusion of Power?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:05 am
by Faraday
As in can someone be a cop and doc? Or a N1 doc and N5 doc? Fairly sure the answer to that is no from what CES said.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:16 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
You can have multiple N1 Docs (for example), yes.
(And Faraday is correct. Every town player gets to action exactly once.)
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:55 am
by gorckat
On death, is the night of an action revealed, their role or nothing?
Why not have the N1 cop claim and then reveal his result Day 2 and so on as long as the right Nx Doc is alive?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:04 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
Just Cop/Doc (to prevent hypoclaims from bogging down the game).
And yes, a N1 Cop can do exactly that. It's certainly optimal play if he has a guilty but claiming an innocent early wouldn't be particularly useful.