Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[Something_Smart]

can you find a game where I do this as scum? what the hell does this puppy dude have to do with me?

Can you find a game where you did it as town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you find a game where I do this as scum? what the hell does this puppy dude have to do with me?

Can you find a game where you did it as town?

the negation of I wouldn't do this as scum is to find a game where I did it as scum.

Whether I have done this as town before has no bearing on this and you know it.

[Datisi]

puppy was scum in 2135 that i called out on that same exact bullshit (and then everyone ignored me and town lost and i'm salty but anyway) my point is that you're saying "oh it's so sucidial to do that as scum i would never do it" when it's blatantly false

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

show me a game where I did it as scum then

[Datisi]

the negation of I wouldn't do this as scum is to find a game where I did it as scum.

Whether I have done this as town before has no bearing on this and you know it.

you not doing it as scum (which, is anyone gonna go through all your past games?) doesn't definitely mean you wouldn't so

[Something_Smart]

the negation of I wouldn't do this as scum is to find a game where I did it as scum.

no, that is the negation of "you DIDN'T do it as scum." It is impossible to prove that you WOULDN'T do it.

[Datisi]

It is suicidally stupid to make these posts if I am scum

i'm just saying that this is false, it's a scum strategy that can work (and has worked before), and saying "i wouldn't offer myself as the lynch as scum" is a very weak argument

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no I'm saying its not in my scum-meta because you can see in all my past games i've never done it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i'm rereading this puppy thing and it's totally not the same fucking thing at all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u think i'm scum with knight, then why lynch prana today? 1 before lylo is supposed to be about resolving ambiguities. i would rather the rest of the town pick between me/una than go into tomorrow on a 50-50

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he wanted a 1v1 between him and una not a fucking self-lynch to resolve his slot prior to lylo because he townread Prana

[Datisi]

he was "pushing" una (read: setting up for his lynch) while defending the designated mislynch of the day (prana), which was accompanied by "oh just lynch me if you'll be like that, i don't wanna lose tomorrow by tanner voting for me, but just make sure to get una tomorrow"

and i'm saying you did the same thing, except add in s_s, dsjstr, datisi for una, prana, tanner respectively

of course i'm not going to convince you of that since you're gonna keep saying how you were "genuinely trying to get yourself lynched" but

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

those posts also come when Prana is at L-1 and Puppy has 0 votes on him so he's just white-knighting before the lynch to make himself look better - like there's almost no chance they take him up on that offer and the offer isn't really even a self-lynch its moving a 1v1 between him and una up.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like just look at the VC when he made those posts

Prana has 3 votes on him and Puppy has 0 - you really think he's at a point where town is willing to switch off Prana and lynch him?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the VC when I offered to get lynched was:

PookeyTheMagicalBear (1) - Datisi
dsjstr (1) - Raven Branwen
Datisi (1) - dsjstr

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the likelihood of the town taking the suggestion and executing the proposed self-lynch is kind of important to factor into "whether scum would gambit here for town-cred"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u think i'm scum with knight, then why lynch prana today? 1 before lylo is supposed to be about resolving ambiguities. i would rather the rest of the town pick between me/una than go into tomorrow on a 50-50

This is not saying - lynch me get Una tommorrow. This is saying lets do a 1v1 between me and una today - which doesnt happen cuz 3 votes are already on prana and the town isn't gonnna move off.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and this is kind of retarded for me to even be defending some other player's meta you really good at this sliding scale bullshit datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the negation of I wouldn't do this as scum is to find a game where I did it as scum.

no, that is the negation of "you DIDN'T do it as scum." It is impossible to prove that you WOULDN'T do it.

past actions have a indication on future actions. That's a reason why judges when sentencing criminals usually look at past record etc to determine whether they will do further crimes in the future.

My point is that my game meta history is the best clue you are going to get about whether I am capable of these actions you are accusing me of doing badly. You have tried to twist that by going for the inverse of the action which has no bearing on the probability of me doing this as scum.

[Datisi]

Votecount 2.08

dsjstr (2) -

Raven Branwen, the worst

PookeyTheMagicalBear (1) -

Datisi

Datisi (1) -

dsjstr

Not Voting (3) -

Something_Smart, PookyTheMagicalBear, skitter30

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-08-20 06:50:00).

well, this was the votecount, i wasn't gonna move my vote anyway, and this was the next

Votecount 2.09

dsjstr (2) -

Raven Branwen, the worst

PookeyTheMagicalBear (2) -

Datisi, dsjstr

Not Voting (3) -

Something_Smart, PookyTheMagicalBear, skitter30

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-08-20 06:50:00).

the only person to move was dsjstr, and like anyone was gonna listen to him at that point. the next VC was the day two's final VC. i'd argue it was fairly unlikely people were gonna take you up on your offer.

also i'd argue the effort you put into "saving" dsjstr is irrelevant because effort =/= alignment

also there's a thunderstorm here so i gotta go
be back later

[Something_Smart]

My point is that my game meta history is the best clue you are going to get about whether I am capable of these actions you are accusing me of doing badly.

The best single clue maybe, but not the only one, and I would assume that your meta would reveal that you are capable of a playing in a variety of ways and using WIFOM to your advantage. Especially if you have never done what you did here as either alignment, then the proper conclusion to draw is that a situation where something like this would be appropriate is simply rare, and you were never in such a situation before. In that case, the fact that you have never done it as scum is of no consequence.

[Something_Smart]

You have tried to twist that by going for the inverse of the action which has no bearing on the probability of me doing this as scum.

Oh also, this is silly. The probability of you doing it as town + the probability of you doing it as scum = the total probability of you doing it. In this game that latter quantity is constant. So the greater the probability of you doing it as town, the lower the probability of you doing it as scum, and vice versa.

[Datisi]

yay for mobile phones and data

if u think i'm scum with knight, then why lynch prana today? 1 before lylo is supposed to be about resolving ambiguities. i would rather the rest of the town pick between me/una than go into tomorrow on a 50-50

This is not saying - lynch me get Una tommorrow. This is saying lets do a 1v1 between me and una today - which doesnt happen cuz 3 votes are already on prana and the town isn't gonnna move off.

(1) in that gamestate puppy would always lose that 1v1 so it's basically the same thing and (2) what's the meaningful difference if your point is that "there was 3 votes on prana already, town wasn't gonna move"

is it because "well if puppy had offered to plainly lynch himself the town would've taken him up on the offer"?

actually what's the point of arguing this idk i'm here anyway

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think theres a decent chance you are deathtunneled town in this game so if we make it to lylo together the scum will win. its better for me to exit today and get rid of this distraction. good luck dats

This post is where I first offered to exit the game on D2 - aka get lynched.

the VC at this time is :

PookeyTheMagicalBear (1) - Datisi
dsjstr (1) - Raven Branwen
Datisi (1) - dsjstr


assuming that dsj moves over from voting Datisi to me, that's 2 votes on me, with only 1 person voting dsj

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

(1) in that gamestate puppy would always lose that 1v1 so it's basically the same thing and (2) what's the meaningful difference if your point is that "there was 3 votes on prana already, town wasn't gonna move"

is it because "well if puppy had offered to plainly lynch himself the town would've taken him up on the offer"?

actually what's the point of arguing this idk i'm here anyway

No I'm saying that the gambit makes sense coming from scum when there are three votes on Prana because its unlikely those 3 votes just decide to move from Prana to Puppy there and Puppy had 0 votes on him to begin with.

The gambit is suicidally stupid if done by me at that point because I was at 1-1 with dsj and dsj hadn't voted me yet.