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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:38 am
by Titus
↑ House wrote: ↑ Narninian wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
That would assume you read me as town.
Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?
So... Which is it?
I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.
Yeah, but if I'm scum and he's town?
You claim town and it's still believable and still true regardless of alignment.
You claim he's scum. He flips town. You're autolynched next and we get a conftown.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:38 am
by Narninian
↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
Just to continue this thread, I wouldn't consider a named townie to be a part of a 'vanilaless' setup. That being said, Neighbors could count as a thing by itself.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:39 am
by House
↑ Narninian wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
That would assume you read me as town.
Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?
So... Which is it?
I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.
Why would you find it believable? What makes you so sure it wasn't a distancing dance? It's not like he ever reached anything even close to a lynch
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:40 am
by House
↑ Titus wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Narninian wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
That would assume you read me as town.
Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?
So... Which is it?
I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.
Yeah, but if I'm scum and he's town?
You claim town and it's still believable and still true regardless of alignment.
You claim he's scum. He flips town. You're autolynched next and we get a conftown.
Wrong. Redirectors are a thing.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:40 am
by House
↑ Titus wrote:**but House with Cerb is unlikely
Why?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:41 am
by Titus
↑ House wrote: ↑ Narninian wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
That would assume you read me as town.
Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?
So... Which is it?
I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.
Why would you find it believable? What makes you so sure it wasn't a distancing dance? It's not like he ever reached anything even close to a lynch
Because you being scum and protecting him means your both buddies and a kill on one of you immediately throws the other into question. It's very high risk low reward for scum to lie. Town wouldn't.
So yeah, I wouldn't expect you to lie because risk reward.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:41 am
by Titus
↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:**but House with Cerb is unlikely
Why?
The shit with you misunderstanding Cerb's claim and pushing him for what you thought was a reason but was logically unsound.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:42 am
by Narninian
well then it worked - but then again I think you're town already. If you were to flip scum that would change my views.
You're questioning the validity of his role, and calling for his death. There may still be vigilantes or people that can cause death in other ways (*cough*)
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:42 am
by Titus
↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Narninian wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
That would assume you read me as town.
Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?
So... Which is it?
I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.
Yeah, but if I'm scum and he's town?
You claim town and it's still believable and still true regardless of alignment.
You claim he's scum. He flips town. You're autolynched next and we get a conftown.
Wrong. Redirectors are a thing.
Possibly but given Cerb is also a kill target by swapping scum run the risk of getting themselves killed which is not effective to try and get a mislynch when there's others to get a mislynch on.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:43 am
by Toon Fighter
↑ Narninian wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
Just to continue this thread, I wouldn't consider a named townie to be a part of a 'vanilaless' setup. That being said, Neighbors could count as a thing by itself.
A named townie is totally not vanilla in an open setup. In closed one it's pretty useless though.
House do you think Drixx is scum? How about Titus?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:44 am
by Titus
@House,
The best plan is you check Cerb.
Cerb checks Molla for what game he is in. He's known to be in the same game with the Volcano mafia.
If it comes back Dram, we know that Molla+Volcanoes are in the game with Cerb+ChiVi or one of the mason pairings is scum. (No way three conftown in one setup.)
If it comes back Nikanoe, we know that Molla+Volcanoes are in the other setup.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:50 am
by LucianRoy
Are we doing another flash-lynch?
We all know how that ended up yesterday.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:50 am
by God of Power Outlets
↑ Titus wrote:@Brantz, I disagree.
TPTG has been rolefishing and setup speccing.
I don't see anything that they've done that's OMG town and I think people's hearing of them claiming mason has colored all the reads in this game. They aren't getting lynched but I'm not letting them go conftown solely because they claimed mason. Will I want to lynch them soon? Probably not. Will they skate unquestionably because mason? No. Even if they are town, they are not automatically right.
If Drixx flips town, he's playing very suboptimally by not contributing to the game the numerous times people asked him to do so. I wouldn't change much to be honest but seriously would have Drixx have a few words about how you treat people who scumread you when you're town. I wouldn't even consider the votes on Drixx to be that scummy.
If Drixx could actually articulate his feelings, this could have been avoided if he's town. This whole "confirm me as town and Titus as stupid" stichk is not helpful when I tell him exactly what he needs to do to have an intelligent conversation with me.
Did you really? Did you really?
Vote: Titus
That's a scumclaim from Titus.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:51 am
by Toon Fighter
don't you know, TPTG? according to Titus, everyone not named Titus is rolefishing and confscum
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:52 am
by Titus
If you cannot see the following colors, let me know. I am going to do VCA tomorrow and I suspect that players may be color blind. If you are, let me know so my VCA is clear.
Test
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Those should show up as 5 unique colors.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:52 am
by Toon Fighter
↑ LucianRoy wrote:Are we doing another flash-lynch?
We all know how that ended up yesterday.
do you have any other suggestions?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:53 am
by Titus
↑ God of Power Outlets wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@Brantz, I disagree.
TPTG has been rolefishing and setup speccing.
I don't see anything that they've done that's OMG town and I think people's hearing of them claiming mason has colored all the reads in this game. They aren't getting lynched but I'm not letting them go conftown solely because they claimed mason. Will I want to lynch them soon? Probably not. Will they skate unquestionably because mason? No. Even if they are town, they are not automatically right.
If Drixx flips town, he's playing very suboptimally by not contributing to the game the numerous times people asked him to do so. I wouldn't change much to be honest but seriously would have Drixx have a few words about how you treat people who scumread you when you're town. I wouldn't even consider the votes on Drixx to be that scummy.
If Drixx could actually articulate his feelings, this could have been avoided if he's town. This whole "confirm me as town and Titus as stupid" stichk is not helpful when I tell him exactly what he needs to do to have an intelligent conversation with me.
Did you really? Did you really?
Vote: Titus
That's a scumclaim from Titus.
*eyeroll* I'm sorry your highness. Am I supposed to ignore the last minute Cerb shopping or the treestump test you did? No. I don't do that shit.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:54 am
by Toon Fighter
Titus, if you want to see rolefishing and setup speccing, please, look no further than your own mirror
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:54 am
by Titus
↑ LucianRoy wrote:Are we doing another flash-lynch?
We all know how that ended up yesterday.
Trust in the power of the hats. We can be wrong once or twice and still win. It'll be ok.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:54 am
by Titus
↑ Toon Fighter wrote:Titus, if you want to see rolefishing and setup speccing, please, look no further than your own mirror
We can have this out tomorrow.
We are lynching Drixx today.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:55 am
by God of Power Outlets
Yeah no you can't accuse us of step-up speccing when you've been doing it the entire game.
We're not moving our vote from Titus. That was the final straw for us.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:57 am
by Titus
↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:Yeah no you can't accuse us of step-up speccing when you've been doing it the entire game.
We're not moving our vote from Titus. That was the final straw for us.
Wrong. I've been coordinating town and analyzing claims.
You speculated with Cerb. There's a difference.
Go ahead and cry me a river. When you cool down and actually think, sometimes you do raise some things that actually make me think for a moment.
Go huddle with your hydra heads.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:59 am
by House
↑ Titus wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Narninian wrote: ↑ House wrote: ↑ Titus wrote:@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.
That would assume you read me as town.
Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?
So... Which is it?
I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.
Yeah, but if I'm scum and he's town?
You claim town and it's still believable and still true regardless of alignment.
You claim he's scum. He flips town. You're autolynched next and we get a conftown.
Wrong. Redirectors are a thing.
Possibly but given Cerb is also a kill target by swapping scum run the risk of getting themselves killed which is not effective to try and get a mislynch when there's others to get a mislynch on.
You missed my point. If I'm scum and he's town, I claim he's aligned with one of the scum teams. He's lynched and flips vanilla.
When town comes for me the following day, I claim my results must have been redirected, and offer up another result for town to WiFoM.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:00 pm
by God of Power Outlets
Oh I see, when you do it it's not set-up speculation. You guys heard it here first. Titus doesn't set-up spec, she leads the town around into I dunno 'game confirmation'? Yep, totally different. Not at all like what I did when I asked EVERYONE if we know the set-ups to be unmodified from their original forms. One player is being a true leader, the other is a scummy set-up speculator.
Titus wagon is greenlit, please move your votes here at your earliest convenience.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:00 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Titus wrote:So if I just claimed masons with Bulba would you believe it?
No and you shouldn't.
There is no get out of jail free card claim.
I don't get why that's hard to understand.
I'm obviously not claiming masons with Bulba.
Who the fuck fake claims masons in a multiscum game titus